Crime Dog McGriff

[bluecolt]

Early next week, on December 4, 16 veteran members of the Baseball Hall of Fame will vote on the Contemporary Era Ballot to choose from a list of retired players to enter the Baseball Hall of Fame. On the list is the Blue Jay good guy, Fred "Crime Dog" McGriff, a 19 year veteran of many clubs with a .284 average, 493 homers and 1550 RBIs. He was a two time AL home run leader, six time .300 hitter and hit 100+ RBIS eight times. He was not a controversial loudmouth but a dependable and effective player for many years. I hope he gets in. He needs 12 of the 16 members to succeed. In his last go round on the regular ballot in 2019, he achieved only a 39.8% result.
The list contains a number of fine players like Dale Murphy and Don Mattingly as well as notorious bad boys like Roger Clemens, Albert Belle, Barry Bonds, Raphael Palmeiro, and Curt Schilling. Many of these players were accused of PED abuse. I think that Murphy and Mattingly have a good chance to finally realize the dream of every player.

 

[Darts]

I think Carlos deserves to be in.
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[The Oracle]

As a Yankee fan I lament that McGriff trade every time I think about it.

Mattingly and that back injury.....Oh what could have been.

Anybody who did PED's....No!...Tilts the playing field too much and we can't assess those who didn't fairly for HOF accolades.

Dale Murphy. Yes. Best center fielder in the game for about a 5 or 6 year period.

 

[shack]

Dale Murphy. Yes. Best center fielder in the game for about a 5 or 6 year period.

This song is by a group called the Baseball Project lead by Mike Mills, bassist for R.E.M.

This song is called To the Veteran Committee and the chorus goes:

I wanna see Dale Murphy in the Hall of Fame.

 

[K Douglas]

In
Curt Schilling (egregious he was only excluded because of his politics)

Borderline (I wouldn't be upset)
Fred McGriff
Don Mattingly

Out
Albert Belle (if he played 2 more seasons at a decent level he'd get my vote)
Dale Murphy
Rafael Palmeiro
Roger Clemens
Barry Bonds

 

[Toronto Passions]

I have always been baffled by the fact that Fred McGriff is not in, yet Dave Winfield is in.

I am totally rooting for Crime Dog! Keeping his weight back, full extension, damn right get in there buddy. He deserves it!

Philip

 

[ETH]

As a Yankee fan I lament that McGriff trade every time I think about it.

A year after they traded away Willie McGee in another lopsided trade.

 

[ETH]

Two excellent video essays on why the Crime Dog deserves to be in the HOF...

and an even deeper look at McGriff vs. Bonds...

 

[Toronto Passions]

Two excellent video essays on why the Crime Dog deserves to be in the HOF...

and an even deeper look at McGriff vs. Bonds...

LOL I can watch these videos all day. Love Em.

Philip

 

[The Oracle]

A year after they traded away Willie McGee in another lopsided trade.

Christ you're killing me.....That's the other one that sticks hard from those days.

Got to hand it to the Cardinals though. Somebody saw something in McGee and the fleecing commenced.

Jay Buhner is another one.......

 

[ETH]

Jay Buhner is another one.......

 

[Toronto Passions]

It’s official Freddy is in the HOF. I am very happy about that.

Philip

 

[The Oracle]

It’s official Freddy is in the HOF. I am very happy about that.

Philip

Great news indeed. Good to see the PED users get shut out again.

Schilling I have to think on.....

 

[bluecolt]

Fred McGriff was the unanimous pick of the Contemporary Baseball Era Players Committee (formerly the Veterans Committee). Mattingly was close.
Congrats to the "Crime Dog," one of the most reliable and consistent players of the 80s and 90s.

 

[Toronto Passions]

Fred McGriff was the unanimous pick of the Contemporary Baseball Era Players Committee (formerly the Veterans Committee). Mattingly was close.
Congrats to the "Crime Dog," one of the most reliable and consistent players of the 80s and 90s.

Have you ever seen an interview with him? The best part about this, he is such a nice guy. It is so awesome when good things happen to good people.

Philip

 

[bluecolt]

Have you ever seen an interview with him? The best part about this, he is such a nice guy. It is so awesome when good things happen to good people.

Philip

He was interviewed on TSN in the early 80s. The interview was outside and McGriff wore a suit and tie. He was quiet, respectful and polite during the interview, a pure gentleman.

 

[Fun For All]

He's in...

McGriff elected unanimously to Hall on Contemporary Era ballot

SAN DIEGO -- “The Crime Dog” finally had his day. In Fred McGriff’s first second chance at the National Baseball Hall of Fame voting process, the Contemporary Baseball Era Players Committee did what the Baseball Writers’ Association of America did not. McGriff was the committee’s lone Hall of...

www.mlb.com

 

[maurice93]

Two excellent video essays on why the Crime Dog deserves to be in the HOF...

and an even deeper look at McGriff vs. Bonds...

Before posting this I agree that McGriff is fine as a HOF under the lower bar and prestige of the veterans committee. But comparing him on a near par level basis with pre roid Barry is totally ludicrous and asinine.

LOL at the second video that claimed Bonds vs McGriff “we’re essentially the same during that period up to 1997”.

Per that video Bonds OPS was .075 greater — that is no small number over 12 years for people that follow statistics . And that gap would have been greater if not for Bonds first 3 seasons. Their peak is not even comparable .

Bonds was a gold glove outfielder (7 times) during that period while McGriff was an average first baseman never thought as a good glover.

Bonds was a near elite base runner at the time - 417 steals — McGriff had 65.

Bonds had 7 seasons in the top 5 in mvp votingincluding 3 mvp seasons. Mcgriff only had 1 top 5 MVP vote in that period (with 2 others in 6th)

In the period between 1990 and 1997 Bonds had a WAR of 70 (one of the best ever for an 8 year period). McGriff was 25! That is a massive difference.

 

[ETH]

Before posting this I agree that McGriff is fine as a HOF under the lower bar and prestige of the veterans committee. But comparing him on a near par level basis with pre roid Barry is totally ludicrous and asinine.

LOL at the second video that claimed Bonds vs McGriff “we’re essentially the same during that period up to 1997”.

Per that video Bonds OPS was .075 greater — that is no small number over 12 years for people that follow statistics . And that gap would have been greater if not for Bonds first 3 seasons. Their peak is not even comparable .

Bonds was a gold glove outfielder (7 times) during that period while McGriff was an average first baseman never thought as a good glover.

Bonds was a near elite base runner at the time - 417 steals — McGriff had 65.

Bonds had 7 seasons in the top 5 in mvp voting, including Mcgriff only had 1 top 5 MVP vote in that period (with 2 others in 6th)

In the period between 1990 and 1997 Bonds had a WAR of 70 (one of the best ever for an 8 year period). McGriff was 25!

Okay, boomer

No offense, but yours is a very redundant take. All of your points were covered/conceded in the two videos. And by Brian Kenny, no less — so cool it with your “for people who follow statistics” lol.

 

[ETH]

Schilling I have to think on.....

I was surprised he wasn’t inducted on the first ballot, tbh. All the numbers are there, plus the narrative is strong with him and his postseason lore. More than worthy of HOF.