Crackdown on knife wielders

Down in FL were a CCW permit holder can legally shoot somebody trying to break in their home-in the back :eek: , that pro football player-forgot his name-was shot and killed by some young men robbing his home. So no, all don't stop and think they might get shot while breaking in to a home, they just shoot first before they get shot.
 
Keebler Elf said:
While I agree with the statement as a whole, you're conveniently overlooking the fact that you need to have a gun in the first place to commit gun violence. Take away the guns and gun violence disappears.

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if you visit the morgue of any major newspaper and go back in time, you will find that murder is not new. Race riots are not new. Racism is not new. Fraud, rape, theft is not new.

Take away the gun, and the gangs will revert to what they did in the 20's and 30's and 40's and 50's.

Handguns in Canada are restricted. Long guns are tightly regulated.

The guns used in crimes are banned weapons generally, and are illegally in this country. Banning guy ownership would not stop anything.

Did banning Heroin stop it from being used?
 
S.C. Joe said:
The UK does not have a bigger problem with guns than the USA or maybe even Canada. Aren't most of the police officers unarmed over there. Even if say they did have a gun problem, they are trying to do something about it, unlike the USA.

I seen this today that the UK will be banning all guns, even those in pieces and are unable to work anymore.

http://www.gunguys.com/#post-2768

The UK cops are armed and have been for a while. Why? Because thugs bring in banned, illegal weapons.
 
Compromised said:
The UK cops are armed and have been for a while. Why? Because thugs bring in banned, illegal weapons.



maybe the criminals just did not understand the laws?
 
great bear said:
Turn the tables and give Bears the guns.

Welll that might give you a sporting chance......Ok you can have one.
 
Sheik said:
As for your argument about guns south of the border, I suggest you check your facts before you speak. The so called gun control is not culling the illegal guns that are used by criminals. In fact its helping to increase it. All you need to do is look to the UK. Handguns are banned in that country yet gun crimes are at an all time high over there.

I am well aware of the facts, Sheik. There are far more handguns and automatic weapons in the US than in any other "western" country, and there are far more deaths by these weapons than in any other "western" country.

I fully agree with you that gun control in itself does not solve the problem. Clearly it is the amount of
handguns - legal and illegal -in a country that matters, which is the reason the US will always have a
large number of gun deaths, and by its proximity, Canada will always have many illegal handguns, and a fair
amount of gun crimes. Most european countries have had a history of strict gun control since WWII, so
handguns are scarce.

Here are some data on the UK:

Homicide and firearms crime
In 2005/06 there were 766 offences initially recorded as homicide by the police in England and Wales (including the 52 victims of the 7 July 2005 London bombings),[17] a rate of 1.4 per 100,000 of population. Only 50 (6.6%) were committed with firearms, one being with an air weapon.[18] The homicide rate for London was 2.4 per 100,000 in the same year (1.7 when excluding the 7 July bombings).[19]

By comparison, 5.5 murders per 100,000 of population were reported by police in the United States in 2000, of which 70% involved the use of firearms (75% of which were illegally obtained).[20] New York City, with a population size similar to London (over 8 million residents), reported 6.9 murders per 100,000 people in 2004.[21]

The rise in UK gun crime is a long term trend that is apparently unaffected by the state of UK firearms legislation. [22] Before the 1997 ban, handguns were only held by 0.1% of the population,[23] and while the number of crimes involving firearms in England and Wales increased from 13,874 in 1998/99 to 24,070 in 2002/03, they remained relatively static at 24,094 in 2003/04, and have since fallen to 21,521 in 2005/06. The latter includes 3,275 crimes involving imitation firearms and 10,437 involving air weapons, compared to 566 and 8,665 respectively in 1998/99.[24] Only those "firearms" positively identified as being imitations or air weapons (e.g. by being recovered by the police or by being fired) are classed as such, so the actual numbers are likely to be significantly higher. In 2005/06, 8,978 of the total of 21,521 firearms crimes (42%) were for criminal damage.[25]

Since 1998, the number of people injured by firearms in England and Wales increased by 110%,[26] from 2,378 in 1998/99 to 5,001 in 2005/06. "Injury" in this context means by the use of the gun as a blunt instrument or as a threat, or by being shot. In 2005/06, 87% of such injuries were defined as "slight," which includes the use of firearms as a threat only. The number of homicides committed with firearms has remained between a range of 46 and 97 for the past decade, standing at 50 in 2005/06 (a fall from 75 the previous year). Between 1998/99 and 2005/06, there have been only two fatal shootings of police officers in England and Wales. Over the same period there were 107 non-fatal shootings of police officers - an average of just 9.7 per year.[27]
 
danmand said:
Most european countries have had a history of strict gun control since WWII, so handguns are scarce.
I don't know about Denmark, but in the Netherlands one of the major jobs of the Dutch Resistance in the early days of WWII was either getting agents into police stations or staging raids on police stations to destroy the extensive firearms registry (at that point on file cards at the local police station).

I'm not saying every one has or should have the right to a machine gun, but I do think this is food for thought.
 
Aardvark154 said:
I don't know about Denmark, but in the Netherlands one of the major jobs of the Dutch Resistance in the early days of WWII was either getting agents into police stations or staging raids on police stations to destroy the extensive firearms registry (at that point on file cards at the local police station).

I'm not saying every one has or should have the right to a machine gun, but I do think this is food for thought.

Likewise, when the germans invaded Denamrk, the occupiers retrieved
all guns in private hands.

It may be food for thought for danes and netherlanders et. al. but it
has no relevance for Canada, who's only potential invader is the US.
If the canadian government asks the US to occupy Canada, I would
suggest that the best approach for canadians will be to agree.
 
danmand said:
It may be food for thought for danes and netherlanders et. al. but it
has no relevance for Canada, who's only potential invader is the US.
Don't overlook Greenland.
 
Aren't most shootings done by males and not females. I am not aware of any numbers but it sure seems so. If so, thats it right there. Too many people just do not care about others. More females seem to care more about others-family, strangers-than males. Guess it might have to do with raising children.

Maybe the schools need to start something very early--I don't know what--that might get males to care about people more. I don't blame parents, video games--a kid getting scare he get spank for doing something wrong would and does not get them to care about people more. Same with playing a video game--females do the same thing and girls most likely get spank less than boys. Yet they are not the ones hurting other people.
 
danmand said:
Likewise, when the germans invaded Denamrk, the occupiers retrieved
all guns in private hands.

You may also recall that Stalin did the same.

but it has no relevance for Canada, who's only potential invader is the US.

How about our own goverment??

Nevermind I'll put on my tinfoil hat. I keep forgetting that our leaders only goal is to protect us.
 
Aardvark154 said:
Danmand may be the only (in actually it would probably be several thousand) "native" of Hans Island.

I doubt Denmark has any interest in invading Canada. Denmark is
already subsidizing Greenland with $500M a year, would not want
any more arctic real estate.
 
danmand said:
I doubt Denmark has any interest in invading Canada. Denmark is
already subsidizing Greenland with $500M a year, would not want
any more arctic real estate.
No doubt true. Do you know about how many Danish-Canadians are there? I know there was a late 19th century settlement just below Grand Falls, New Brunswick.
 
Aardvark154 said:
No doubt true. Do you know about how many Danish-Canadians are there? I know there was a late 19th century settlement just below Grand Falls, New Brunswick.

The largest immigration of danes to Canada happened in the 1950's. However,
with few exceptions, the danish immigrants have chosen to assimilate into
canadian society. There are danish churches in Grimsby, Toronto and out west.
 
danmand said:
The largest immigration of danes to Canada happened in the 1950's. However, with few exceptions, the danish immigrants have chosen to assimilate into canadian society. There are danish churches in Grimsby, Toronto and out west.
In the U.S., the U.S. Virgin Islands were the Danish West Indies until 1917 (except for St. John, without doubt a good deal for Denmark) :-( Sweden of course had a Colony along the Delaware River in the mid 1600's - however, probably the majority of the colonists were Finnish (part of Sweden at the time).
 
Aardvark154 said:
In the U.S., the U.S. Virgin Islands were the Danish West Indies until 1917 (except for St. John, without doubt a good deal for Denmark) :-( Sweden of course had a Colony along the Delaware River in the mid 1600's - however, probably the majority of the colonists were Finnish (part of Sweden at the time).

Major immigration of danes to the US happened from the late 1800 to
1920. In particular, a large number of danes immigrated from the territory, that germany took from Denmark in 1864.

St john, St Croix and St Thomas were danish unrtil the US made Denmark an
offer shet could not refuse in 1917.
 
Having everybody own guns will not stop the government now of days. If a coo was to happen in the USA and tried to over throw our government, a few fighter jets would drop a few bombs on them and that be the end of that. Same if the USA tried to take over Canada-but remember England would not stand for it.

So need for people to bear arms to prevent the government from going too far or keep them in check is a joke now. Its who has nuclear weapons that can do anything now, not thousands of even millions with guns, even machine guns.