Crackdown on knife wielders
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To quote the title of a book on the subject of several decades ago: It all Started with Sticks and Stones. The problem is you ban firearms, and people stab each other, you ban knives and people will club each other.danmand said:
Aardvark154 said:To quote the title of a book on the subject of several decades ago: It all Started with Sticks and Stones. The problem is you ban firearms, and people stab each other, you ban knives and people will club each other.
Yep, better to just be like the good old USA, where we have have around 400 murders in every big city each year
Detroit, Chicago, NY, Los Angeles. Yes the murders have finally stop going up each year-expect Detroit when you look at how many people left the city.
But we have a long long way to go until we are like even Canada. Toronto has what 3.5 million people and like 85 murders last year, wow. Detroit will reach that point come March and has under 1 million people.
But we have a long long way to go until we are like even Canada. Toronto has what 3.5 million people and like 85 murders last year, wow. Detroit will reach that point come March and has under 1 million people.
Not sure if the number of people getting shot every year has been falling or just less people are dieing after being shot thanks to better hospitals and more advance medical treatment.
Re. 400 murders/year & gun laws
Here's an article that talks about the murder rate in major US cities:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080103/NEWS01/801030397
NYC has made the best progress. Don't they have strict gun laws?
Here's an article that talks about the murder rate in major US cities:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080103/NEWS01/801030397
NYC has made the best progress. Don't they have strict gun laws?
I'm not saying that people necessarily should have the right to own a 50 cal machine gun. What I am saying is what Sheik wrote, people who want to murder other people find a way to do so. Firearms may make that more convenient (and conversely preventing it more convenient), however, when people don't have access to firearms, they use knives, when as in Scotland and now Denmark the government attempts to limit swords and knives then people who want to murder other people use blunt objects and quite how a government would attempt to regulate blunt objects I'm unsure.S.C. Joe said:
What really stops people from killing each other is moral compulsion and temper control and quite how one makes an immoral or amoral person moral I really don't know.
Cops here in TO took my knife just last week...
True story...
Last week (midweek) about 3o'clock in the afternoon I was walking on the sidewalk down Eglinton Ave West with a friend of mine... both of us minding our own biz, everything normal like. A cop car drives by going in the opposite direction - slows right down and takes a big stare at me - drives 1/2 block - makes u-turn and comes back and stops ME.
Before I know it there are three cars and six cops there. One cop had a pic (looked like a computer print out) and kept looking at the pic and looking at me and asking his buddies "what do you think?" I asked them if I could look at the pic "NO" I asked them what happened and who are they looking for, it can't be me cause I have done nothing that warrants being stopped by 6 cops that's for sure. They told me no, shut up and wait. Meanwhile my friend is just standing there and they are not even paying attention to him at all. In the middle of all this they of course ask me for ID and search my pockets. I forgot that I had a buck knife (4inches) in my coat pocket. Cop asks me if I have any weapons. I say no... Then he goes in my pocket and takes out the knife. If looks could kill I just died 19 times. I thought I was gonna be cuffed right there. I told him "sorry I forgot I had that on me" "why do you have it" he says. I say "It's not a weapon, it's a keep-sake from my bro who passed away yrs ago, both of us use to be truck drivers (all true) and use for breaking down skids, opening boxes etc." Now here's the upshot... When he went in my pants pocket he pulls out all my change and mixed in the change is 1/2 dozen roaches. (Whenever I smoke, if roaches long enough, I save for later) He puts all my change together with the roaches back in my pocket! I couldn't believe it. But he would not give me back my knife. He says if I want it back I got to go to the stn and fill out a report and request it back... but there is no guarantee. Farkin piss me off or what. I still have not gone to the stn and not sure if I will. I'm thinking it's over a week now... I should have gone the same day. My friends all think I should go and launch a complaint. I have no complaint though. Honestly I don't blame the guys for just doing their job. Obviously I looked like someone serious they were looking for... so I can get my head around that easy enough. But that blade was a keepsake from my bro. What you all think... just forget it... or go and get it back. Or TRY to get it back, that is, cause something tells me I'll just be wasting my time... that's why I don't want to bother. FARK!
True story...
Last week (midweek) about 3o'clock in the afternoon I was walking on the sidewalk down Eglinton Ave West with a friend of mine... both of us minding our own biz, everything normal like. A cop car drives by going in the opposite direction - slows right down and takes a big stare at me - drives 1/2 block - makes u-turn and comes back and stops ME.
Before I know it there are three cars and six cops there. One cop had a pic (looked like a computer print out) and kept looking at the pic and looking at me and asking his buddies "what do you think?" I asked them if I could look at the pic "NO" I asked them what happened and who are they looking for, it can't be me cause I have done nothing that warrants being stopped by 6 cops that's for sure. They told me no, shut up and wait. Meanwhile my friend is just standing there and they are not even paying attention to him at all. In the middle of all this they of course ask me for ID and search my pockets. I forgot that I had a buck knife (4inches) in my coat pocket. Cop asks me if I have any weapons. I say no... Then he goes in my pocket and takes out the knife. If looks could kill I just died 19 times. I thought I was gonna be cuffed right there. I told him "sorry I forgot I had that on me" "why do you have it" he says. I say "It's not a weapon, it's a keep-sake from my bro who passed away yrs ago, both of us use to be truck drivers (all true) and use for breaking down skids, opening boxes etc." Now here's the upshot... When he went in my pants pocket he pulls out all my change and mixed in the change is 1/2 dozen roaches. (Whenever I smoke, if roaches long enough, I save for later) He puts all my change together with the roaches back in my pocket! I couldn't believe it. But he would not give me back my knife. He says if I want it back I got to go to the stn and fill out a report and request it back... but there is no guarantee. Farkin piss me off or what. I still have not gone to the stn and not sure if I will. I'm thinking it's over a week now... I should have gone the same day. My friends all think I should go and launch a complaint. I have no complaint though. Honestly I don't blame the guys for just doing their job. Obviously I looked like someone serious they were looking for... so I can get my head around that easy enough. But that blade was a keepsake from my bro. What you all think... just forget it... or go and get it back. Or TRY to get it back, that is, cause something tells me I'll just be wasting my time... that's why I don't want to bother. FARK!
I suggest that you go to the station and submit a report to get it back. What grounds would they have to keep it?TheNiteHwk said:
Sheik said:
I think it is a little easier than you are making it. Automatic guns and handguns have only
one purpose, to threaten or harm people, and the same goes for certain types of knives.
Kitchen knives and hunting rifles, like baseball bats have legitimate uses,
so there is a very logical and easily defined place to stop.
Fortunately we have some level of gun control in Canada. South of the border
more people are being killed with handguns every year than was killed 9 11.
Sheik said:
While I agree with the statement as a whole, you're conveniently overlooking the fact that you need to have a gun in the first place to commit gun violence. Take away the guns and gun violence disappears.
You can then argue that knives and baseball bats will replace guns, but no one in their right mind is going to buy that doing so will result in deaths anywhere near as many as that are caused by guns.
Thanks to the farkin terrorists and new Homeland security guidelines I can't get my CCW anymore.
Need to show US residency now.
Bummer.
Need to show US residency now.
Bummer.
The UK does not have a bigger problem with guns than the USA or maybe even Canada. Aren't most of the police officers unarmed over there. Even if say they did have a gun problem, they are trying to do something about it, unlike the USA.
I seen this today that the UK will be banning all guns, even those in pieces and are unable to work anymore.
http://www.gunguys.com/#post-2768
I seen this today that the UK will be banning all guns, even those in pieces and are unable to work anymore.
http://www.gunguys.com/#post-2768
S.C. Joe said:
Crime in the U.K. went up 56% after the ban. Whether it's worse here or there is not the point.
Give this a read
http://law.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6426&context=expresso
Then how should country's try to stop crime? Give everybody a gun to fight back? Reducing crime is more than having a gun to fight back. I agree the economy has much to do with it, more than guns or the "lack" of guns.
S.C. Joe said:
I don't have all the answers and I don't claim to be an expert but I do know if a violent criminal is in jail he can't commit anymore crimes. Stopping the 'catch & release' or hug-a-thug mentality would be a good start.
Pretend you are a thief or a home invader for a second......
What fear would you have robbing peole if you new there would be minimal consequences? Meaning your prey would be un-armed or if caught you would serve a light sentence.
Now imagine if a high percentage of men and woman carried concealed weapons or kept them in their homes or cars. Would you think twice in this scenario?
