Covid did come from Wuhan lab and US covered it up, landmark report finds

Butler1000

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Of course, how convenient, not because they were a useless witch hunt?

You have claimed you agree with the vax, and agree COVID was real yet you want Fauci hunted for merely doing his job, hmmmmmm.

Will you be jumping up and down if Trump doesn't bring down groceries, takes away the polio vax and lets Putin get away with whatever his Russian heart desires or will you spin and weave as you usually do to protect the deplorable?
See. You just admitted they refused to consider any other theory. No proper investigation. It's not hunting. It's investigation to get to the truth to try to prevent this in the future. And it's no claim. I just had my latest shot, along with the flu in October. And I'm not questioning Fauci on his after outbreak response. I'm questioning his lack of response to the lab being sited for non compliance of rules and regulations for handling the viruses. And why that occured.

And now you are deflecting.

Too funny.
 
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See. You just admitted they refused to consider any other theory. No proper investigation. It's not hunting. It's investigation to get to the truth to try to prevent this in the future. And it's no claim. I just had my latest shot, along with the flu in October. And I'm not questioning Fauci on his after outbreak response. I'm questioning his lack of response to the lab being sited for non compliance of rules and regulations for handling the viruses. And why that occured.

And now you are deflecting.

Too funny.
Only in your mind I admitted anything. I didn't admit anything because I am not there. LOL I don't claim to be the expert as you guys do and pull facts out of the air to fit your delusional narrative.
 

Butler1000

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Only in your mind I admitted anything. I didn't admit anything because I am not there. LOL I don't claim to be the expert as you guys do and pull facts out of the air to fit your delusional narrative.
You called it a useless witchhunt. The initial investigation didn't happen. The press asked no questions. It was Iraq WMD style shut down of any questioning. All to protect who?

The guy who should have been under investigation was in charge of it. Sound familiar? Take off the partisan blinders.

My facts are real. The lab was sited twice for shoddy non compliance of safety procedures. A bat lab was in the centre, when then said their wasn't one. The Chinese "Bat-Lady" was temporarily hidden


There were so many indicators it deserved scrutiny. I question it because of this. If a formal after review had been done independently so be it. But that didn't happen. And the lab funding has now been quietly cut by the Biden admin. Can you explain why?

It's not just about one appointed man. It's about uncovering the truth.
 

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You called it a useless witchhunt. The initial investigation didn't happen. The press asked no questions. It was Iraq WMD style shut down of any questioning. All to protect who?

The guy who should have been under investigation was in charge of it. Sound familiar? Take off the partisan blinders.

My facts are real. The lab was sited twice for shoddy non compliance of safety procedures. A bat lab was in the centre, when then said their wasn't one. The Chinese "Bat-Lady" was temporarily hidden


There were so many indicators it deserved scrutiny. I question it because of this. If a formal after review had been done independently so be it. But that didn't happen. And the lab funding has now been quietly cut by the Biden admin. Can you explain why?

It's not just about one appointed man. It's about uncovering the truth.
It's about trying to whitewash Trump's poor handling of the COVID virus to the disgust of Fauci and other experts. COVID originated in China that is the only thing that is 100% true and the experts in the field majority agree that the virus behaved as a normal virus originating as viruses do. Is there a small chance it may have escaped a lab, of course, it's possible but if it did it was an accident not a reason to bring Fauci and others down as you seem to want to insinuate. You love a witchhunt if it fits your narrative its that simple. You're a partisan hack.
 

Butler1000

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It's about trying to whitewash Trump's poor handling of the COVID virus to the disgust of Fauci and other experts. COVID originated in China that is the only thing that is 100% true and the experts in the field majority agree that the virus behaved as a normal virus originating as viruses do. Is there a small chance it may have escaped a lab, of course, it's possible but if it did it was an accident not a reason to bring Fauci and others down as you seem to want to insinuate. You love a witchhunt if it fits your narrative its that simple. You're a partisan hack.
I haven't insinuated it was anything more than an accident, due to reported non compliance. I don't think anything was done on purpose. I do however suspect negligence. And a cover up to stop the public from knowing.

That is where Fauci comes in, both in allowing the lab to recieve funding anyway, and then covering up his own non compliance. His job wasn't just to approve grants but to ensure the safety of sponsored labs. That is his failure.

If it had been a Trump appointee my opinion would be exactly the same. Would yours?

And Trump approved operation warp speed. Beyond that it was in fact up to the Governors of states to regulate covid policy at the local level. And I happily say the idiot GOP governors caused deaths.
 

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I firmly believe vaccines, masks during the pandemics, lockfowns etc were are good things. I also believe it was a lab leak. The lab was sited twice for poor and shoddy quarantine practices and poor personnel performance.

More importantly I think people give too much altruistic credit to the scientists in pharma. They CEOs have way too much control and pay governments and media to let them do as they please. Fauci had financial interests in this. And gain of function research, if it had been reported as the cause would have caused the public to lose it. And call for it's banning. There was a huge financial incentive to craft this narrative.
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Two very different topics. It is fully possible that the virus spread at the market AND Pharma took advantage of it.

Anyone with a shred of scientific integrity knows that the cause of the outbreak can not be determined with absolute certainty but instead should be looking at the weight of evidence. Research on the genome say that it is very unlikely to have been a manipulated virus, essentially ruling out a leaked gain on function research (unless some new contradictory genomic studies have come out in the last couple months). That doesn't eliminate the possibility of a 'wild' strain being studied at the lab leaking but it does eliminate one of the major anti-authority talking points.

Yes there are reasons to distrust the lab, distrust the Chinese government, and distrust Big Pharma in general but that does not constitute evidence. The studies seems to show it as far more likely that the epidemic broke out in the market area. That means that either someone intentionally released it at the market, got infected at the lab and didn't spread it to anyone except at the market, or the simpler explanation that the outbreak was caused at the market, not the lab.

The biggest difference between you and I (and scientific thinkers) is that you decided long ago it was the lab and refuse to consider other possibilities while I am willing to accept my preconceptions may be wrong and look at the evidence. In this case, the 'evidence' being discussed is a congressional report written by a bunch of politicians with a clear political motive.
 
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The majority of the community works for Big Pharma or universities who receives grants from Big apharma. The rest work for government or recieve grants from government. It's a career ender to whistle blow this one. And useless as it would get buried.
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So your conclusion is that every researcher who has seen the 'truth' has chosen to be silent? Or maybe this is part of the Clinton assassinations you went on about years back.


As anyone with exposure to the scientific community knows, people make their careers on proving the consensus wrong.
 

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So your conclusion is that every researcher who has seen the 'truth' has chosen to be silent? Or maybe this is part of the Clinton assassinations you went on about years back.


As anyone with exposure to the scientific community knows, people make their careers on proving the consensus wrong.
As you said, it can go either way....so they are choosing the self serving one.
 

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Two very different topics. It is fully possible that the virus spread at the market AND Pharma took advantage of it.

Anyone with a shred of scientific integrity knows that the cause of the outbreak can not be determined with absolute certainty but instead should be looking at the weight of evidence. Research on the genome say that it is very unlikely to have been a manipulated virus, essentially ruling out a leaked gain on function research (unless some new contradictory genomic studies have come out in the last couple months). That doesn't eliminate the possibility of a 'wild' strain being studied at the lab leaking but it does eliminate one of the major anti-authority talking points.

Yes there are reasons to distrust the lab, distrust the Chinese government, and distrust Big Pharma in general but that does not constitute evidence. The studies seems to show it as far more likely that the epidemic broke out in the market area. That means that either someone intentionally released it at the market, got infected at the lab and didn't spread it to anyone except at the market, or the simpler explanation that the outbreak was caused at the market, not the lab.

The biggest difference between you and I (and scientific thinkers) is that you decided long ago it was the lab and refuse to consider other possibilities while I am willing to accept my preconceptions may be wrong and look at the evidence. In this case, the 'evidence' being discussed is a congressional report written by a bunch of politicians with a clear political motive.
You are asking me to believe the people who have a financial stake in that being the outcome.
 
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