Could the Los Angeles wild fire have been prevented?

[WyattEarp]

Well, no.....

The actual criticism from MAGA is that CA failed because it has "3 lesbians named Kristin running the LAFD". You can try and spin that, if you want.... I suppose.

But the companion thread to this one on TERB features your buddies Addict and Mitchell specifically singling out DEI practises and has 4 x as many views and posts, mainly the TERB MAGAts attacking DEI and raising other unfounded horseshit about the fire response.

If the GOP and MAGA have actually raised well founded technical concerns about the fire response, I have yet to read them

And why is Sacramento responsible for choices made by LA?

I personally haven't heard anything about lesbians or DEI from official channels like the President-elect, nominated Cabinet members or Congress. I suppose there will be one or two political outliers shooting their mouth off about what they don't like.

The GOP concerns are around clearing brush, fire breaks and water retention/distribution. It seems like I have been hearing about the lack of prevention and preparation for over ten years now.

I'm not sure why you think the State of California (Sacramento) is not part of directing wildfire prevention policy around the state. This would be one issue where I wouldn't be arguing that responsibility is atomized. Don't worry the L.A. Mayor will not be re-elected.

Lastly, there's a lot of members I simply tune-out because I don't think they well-represent any political group in the U.S. or Canada.

 

[Zoot Allures]

How do you infallibly fireproof roofs in a "perfect storm firestorm"?

I may be naive but

Refer to post 9 and 50 , one guy did it with water sprinklers on his roof

It is the embers that land on the roofs that spread the fire

Roofs can be made fire proof as they have fire proof material

I have a fire blanket in my kitchen to put out grease fires

Even cedar shingles can be made fire reisistant

 

[squeezer]

I don't vote for the people on the Left who say stupid things so I generally don't react much. It kind of frees my my mind and political energy. The caveat is I avoid most cable news including Fox News.

Yes, we know, you only vote for people on the Right who say very stupid things.

 

[nottyboi]

I think if they had 10 Waterbombers on standby instead of 2, it would have made a HUGE difference.

 

[WyattEarp]

Yes, we know, you only vote for people on the Right who say very stupid things.

They bother me too. It's easy to tune them out if you don't let Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow curate your news.

 

[princekwekua]

This house was the only one in the neighbourhood to withstand the Pacific Palisades fire

 

[mandrill]

I think if they had 10 Waterbombers on standby instead of 2, it would have made a HUGE difference.

It means paying for them. And their crews. And their maintenance..... for an event that might never happen.

 

[basketcase]

Prevented? No. Even Joe Rogan was going on a few years back about heat and the Santa Anas meaning an eventual catastrophe. Could the state have spent more to manage fires? Yes but that would require higher taxes and the idiots trying to blame it on DEI would never want that.
The only other action that could have been a little helpful is preventing corporations from taking as much water from the Colorado river but that would involve 4 or 5 states cooperating and still wouldn't have made a huge impact.
But prince is right to point out that the government regulations that many Americans hate actually serve a purpose.


Then again, maybe I'm wrong and having a lesbian fire chief was the problem.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

It means paying for them. And their crews. And their maintenance..... for an event that might never happen.

Sounds like you were in charge.

 

[mandrill]

Sounds like you were in charge.

I'm sure Mitch's sources of "news" would have posted incessantly that "Newsome spends 5 x as much as he needs to on excess airplanes at the honest citizens' expense!"

 

[WyattEarp]

Prevented? No. Even Joe Rogan was going on a few years back about heat and the Santa Anas meaning an eventual catastrophe. Could the state have spent more to manage fires? Yes but that would require higher taxes and the idiots trying to blame it on DEI would never want that.
The only other action that could have been a little helpful is preventing corporations from taking as much water from the Colorado river but that would involve 4 or 5 states cooperating and still wouldn't have made a huge impact.
But prince is right to point out that the government regulations that many Americans hate actually serve a purpose.


Then again, maybe I'm wrong and having a lesbian fire chief was the problem.

Good effort trying to make this a failure of conservative policies. Thankfully, there ain't a Republican politician in charge of anything for hundreds of miles.

Now the reality. Californians pay some of the highest taxes in the world and are subject to heavy regulation. So if you think a further expansive California government is the solution, that's your prerogative.

 

[wigglee]

I think if they had 10 Waterbombers on standby instead of 2, it would have made a HUGE difference.

10 waterbombers could save 12000 homes...LOL

 

[Frankfooter]

Good effort trying to make this a failure of conservative policies. Thankfully, there ain't a Republican politician in charge of anything for hundreds of miles.

Now the reality. Californians pay some of the highest taxes in the world and are subject to heavy regulation. So if you think a further expansive California government is the solution, that's your prerogative.

The world hit 1.5ºC for the first time but republicans will fix the problem by ending DEI.
Why are right wingers always so ready to jump to the most idiotic misdirections?

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www.salon.com

 

[basketcase]

Good effort trying to make this a failure of conservative policies. Thankfully, there ain't a Republican politician in charge of anything for hundreds of miles.

Now the reality. Californians pay some of the highest taxes in the world and are subject to heavy regulation. So if you think a further expansive California government is the solution, that's your prerogative.

Nice try trying to pretend a lesbian fire chief is the cause of the fire.

And yes, just like in the electrical grid failures in Texas a couple winters back, pro-corporate regulations on public infrastructure are a part of the problem.

 

[basketcase]

The world hit 1.5ºC for the first time but republicans will fix the problem by ending DEI.
Why are right wingers always so ready to jump to the most idiotic misdirections?

Major oil ports are threatened by rising sea levels | Salon.com

Award-winning news and culture, features breaking news, in-depth reporting and criticism on politics, science, food and entertainment.

www.salon.com

Using the Florida education model, they will just try to claim that the world has always been this hot.

 

[The Oracle]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1879517506651443569

Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass got absolutely destroyed by facts when a fire union chief broke down in tears on CNN, exposing the staffing shortfalls he had been warning about for years. Turns out their “leadership” is more about slogans than solutions, and the truth hit harder than their empty promises ever could.

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[The Oracle]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1879517506651443569

Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass got absolutely destroyed by facts when a fire union chief broke down in tears on CNN, exposing the staffing shortfalls he had been warning about for years. Turns out their “leadership” is more about slogans than solutions, and the truth hit harder than their empty promises ever could.

Karen Bass is Toast here...Newsom will slither out of this you watch.

They will DEI some other incompetents in charge when all is said and done.

 

[The Oracle]

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The woke garbage is getting called out big time.

 

[WyattEarp]

Nice try trying to pretend a lesbian fire chief is the cause of the fire.

I haven't really been following that story. Perhaps you can tell me about it and what would cause someone to pretend it was the cause of the fire. I do have some political thoughts not really related to DEI below.

And yes, just like in the electrical grid failures in Texas a couple winters back, pro-corporate regulations on public infrastructure are a part of the problem.

Okay, I've been following this story somewhat. I heard Texas is hooking their grid up with other states which increases their back-up. They've been an outlier in that regard. Now what I understand, this will subject Texas to Federal regulations regarding winterizing, protecting, stabilizing and what have you for their grid. That's good.

Now perhaps you have been following another thread that I was participating in. On that thread, I was suggesting the Feds would start dictating best practices for fire management to California. I think that's good too. Me thinks California politicians will bitch and moan while secretly thanking the Feds for getting them out from under the more extreme elements in their environmental lobby.

 

[WyattEarp]

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The woke garbage is getting called out big time.

You can see as in the case of basketcase and others they really get riled about people attacking the lesbian fire chief. Discussing the fire chief's sexual orientation is unproductive.

When it comes to the City of Los Angeles, the broader argument is that L.A. and many other American cities are focused on too many things that should not be the concerns of municipal government. City governments need to focus on providing basic municipal services and protecting their residents. It's likely you see this lack of focus in Toronto's municipal government as well.

To make it simple for the tone deaf, do what it takes to keep the fire trucks on the road.