Could the Los Angeles wild fire have been prevented?

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Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass got absolutely destroyed by facts when a fire union chief broke down in tears on CNN, exposing the staffing shortfalls he had been warning about for years. Turns out their “leadership” is more about slogans than solutions, and the truth hit harder than their empty promises ever could.
Karen Bass is Toast here...Newsom will slither out of this you watch.

They will DEI some other incompetents in charge when all is said and done.
 
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Nice try trying to pretend a lesbian fire chief is the cause of the fire.
I haven't really been following that story. Perhaps you can tell me about it and what would cause someone to pretend it was the cause of the fire. I do have some political thoughts not really related to DEI below.

And yes, just like in the electrical grid failures in Texas a couple winters back, pro-corporate regulations on public infrastructure are a part of the problem.
Okay, I've been following this story somewhat. I heard Texas is hooking their grid up with other states which increases their back-up. They've been an outlier in that regard. Now what I understand, this will subject Texas to Federal regulations regarding winterizing, protecting, stabilizing and what have you for their grid. That's good.

Now perhaps you have been following another thread that I was participating in. On that thread, I was suggesting the Feds would start dictating best practices for fire management to California. I think that's good too. Me thinks California politicians will bitch and moan while secretly thanking the Feds for getting them out from under the more extreme elements in their environmental lobby.
 
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The woke garbage is getting called out big time.
You can see as in the case of basketcase and others they really get riled about people attacking the lesbian fire chief. Discussing the fire chief's sexual orientation is unproductive.

When it comes to the City of Los Angeles, the broader argument is that L.A. and many other American cities are focused on too many things that should not be the concerns of municipal government. City governments need to focus on providing basic municipal services and protecting their residents. It's likely you see this lack of focus in Toronto's municipal government as well.

To make it simple for the tone deaf, do what it takes to keep the fire trucks on the road.
 
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You can see as in the case of basketcase and others they really get riled about people attacking the lesbian fire chief. Discussing the fire chief's sexual orientation is unproductive.

When it comes to the City of Los Angeles, the broader argument is that L.A. and many other American cities are focused on too many things that should not be the concerns of municipal government. City governments need to focus on providing basic municipal services and protecting their residents. It's likely you see this in Toronto's municipal government as well.

To make it simple for the tone deaf, do what it takes to keep the fire trucks on the road.
Its bad isn't it?

I think you need to rile up the base and get those pitchforks out.
Look what the LA mayor did to ocean temperatures!

 

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You can see as in the case of basketcase and others they really get riled about people attacking the lesbian fire chief. Discussing the fire chief's sexual orientation is unproductive.

When it comes to the City of Los Angeles, the broader argument is that L.A. and many other American cities are focused on too many things that should not be the concerns of municipal government. City governments need to focus on providing basic municipal services and protecting their residents. It's likely you see this in Toronto's municipal government as well.

To make it simple for the tone deaf, do what it takes to keep the fire trucks on the road.

She can't keep her narratives straight...
 
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I haven't really been following that story. Perhaps you can tell me about it and what would cause someone to pretend it was the cause of the fire. I do have some political thoughts not really related to DEI below.



Okay, I've been following this story somewhat. I heard Texas is hooking their grid up with other states which increases their back-up. They've been an outlier in that regard. Now what I understand, this will subject Texas to Federal regulations regarding winterizing, protecting, stabilizing and what have you for their grid. That's good.

Now perhaps you have been following another thread that I was participating in. On that thread, I was suggesting the Feds would start dictating best practices for fire management to California. I think that's good too. Me thinks California politicians will bitch and moan while secretly thanking the Feds for getting them out from under the more extreme elements in their environmental lobby.
Trump just announced his picks for getting California back on track: Mel Gibson, Sylvester Stallone and Jon Voight ........ yeah, you think I'm joking, but.....
 

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Trump just announced his picks for getting California back on track: Mel Gibson, Sylvester Stallone and Jon Voight ........ yeah, you think I'm joking, but.....
Once they rake the forests California will finally be safe.
 

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A quick look at a LA map and this empty reservoir is right in the mountains above the Pacific Palisades. Now that should get you thinking.
So I have some thoughts. Don't be surprised if the State of California takes more control over Los Angeles' reservoirs and aspects of the local water supply.
When partisan people make arguments about a situation based on their politics, I'm looking at what changes are implemented to confirm what is perceived to be past failure. I'm looking at what other States are doing. I'm not interested in protecting native fauna and flora in a completely man-adapted megapolis of 18 million people in the middle of the desert.
 
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Trump just announced his picks for getting California back on track: Mel Gibson, Sylvester Stallone and Jon Voight ........ yeah, you think I'm joking, but.....
George Clooney went up to Washington and saved the Republic last summer. Just sayin'.
 
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Can the world prevent the damage done by climate change? Not at this time... it's only gonna get worse because of opposing view$
If it focused spending on mitigation as opposed to ruining the global economy by squandering trillions on reducing CO2 emissions, we'd be much better off.
 

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Now perhaps you have been following another thread that I was participating in. On that thread, I was suggesting the Feds would start dictating best practices for fire management to California. I think that's good too. Me thinks California politicians will bitch and moan while secretly thanking the Feds for getting them out from under the more extreme elements in their environmental lobby.
I can't see you actually supporting that as improving fire management would cost money which means tax dollars. Sadly even corporate democrats are scared to run on a platform that increases taxes, even if its for massive infrastructure improvements.
 

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I can't see you actually supporting that as improving fire management would cost money which means tax dollars. Sadly even corporate democrats are scared to run on a platform that increases taxes, even if its for massive infrastructure improvements.
High incomes earners are taxed almost 50% in California. The State of California is just not very good at getting things done. Sacramento can't do a good job of prioritizing because they are pulled in too many different directions.

The point is the Feds will help them, but it won't be carte blanche.

Does this clip poll sound like a Governor who is focused and getting thing done? Gavin's doing lots of talking and motioning hands. What I love about democratic politics is people on social media can tell us what is going on, but ultimately the local voters decide.

 
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I hope we read some objective coverage about what the various States are doing with fire prevention and how that compares with California.
I'd love to see it, but even if we do get it, I don't expect it to penetrate far.
There is a lot more political capital in "DEI did it" than real discussions of policy.

One might say now's not the time for the Federal govt. or anyone to be debating that. Just so you know, I'm not one to say now's not the time to debate gun control after a tragedy. It seems to me to be a good time while the public is focused on the event.
Which is why the fact this opportunity is being pissed away is so upsetting.

What does that mean relative to Kherg's post? I would expect the Trump Administration to put more pressure on California to examine and apply best practices in fire prevention. I would also expect the politics surrounding fire prevention to change quickly and dramatically inside California. Like almost all governmental bodies, Sacramento will likely be caught off guard by the changing political landscape.
I don't see why you would predict this given the political discussion we've seen.
 

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I'd love to see it, but even if we do get it, I don't expect it to penetrate far.
There is a lot more political capital in "DEI did it" than real discussions of policy.
The DEI discussion is not where I personally would go at this time. However, it's fair for people to question the efficacy of the Los Angeles government and anything that they deem to be a distraction to that end. There are plenty of government policies and priorities that Angelenos should and will challenge in the next few months.
 

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The DEI discussion is not where I personally would go at this time. However, it's fair for people to question the efficacy of the Los Angeles government and anything that they deem to be a distraction to that end. There are plenty of government policies and priorities that Angelenos should and will challenge in the next few months.
Yes and it's for the good of the nation. California brings the most money to the federal year after year to help many red states battle devastating poverty.
 

Valcazar

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The DEI discussion is not where I personally would go at this time.
But it is where it has gone and will go.
Your preferences are not those of the political powers that be.
(Neither are mine.)

However, it's fair for people to question the efficacy of the Los Angeles government and anything that they deem to be a distraction to that end.
Of course.
And it is going to be incredibly hard to do that seriously because of the political environment.
 
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