Concerns about bbfs

[sorely]

Over the past few weeks I have noticed a siginificant increase in the number of sp's who seem to be prepared to participate in bbfs. I find this pretty scary considering that these are women who are often included in reviews on these boards. As well, I expect that they are actually performing bbfs with some of the clients. These clients are no doubt seeing other sp's.

In one two week span, I met three sp's ( two mp's and one escort) who seemed to have no concern about offering bbfs. Others are certainly becoming more permissive and probably would allow bbfs if pushed at all.

Clearly this is extremely dangerous !!

What do we do ?

I am not about to name these individuals on an open board; however, I think that something should be done-- possibly some type of confidential agency that contacts and tests these individuals. I don't know.

Have others noticed this trend ?

Thoughts on dealing with the problem ?

What forums might be appropriate ?

Should we all be tested if we have not used proper precautions with all possible contacts ( bbbj, daty,kissing, bbfs etc) ?

 

[mac]

i am finding that the bbfs option is more and more available myself. The there doesn't seem to be much of a pattern to who allows it either...independants/agency, first time/regular, nationality, or age. i do find that it seems to be more prevalent in toronto than other canadian cities such as montreal or vancouver.

 

[Jenn_angel]

It scares the hell out of me...

I do not understand this new trend... It honestly worries me and I am now even more cautious of who I see... It was bad before as I got pretty selective but now it is worse...

I have had the discussion about women who provide it with many people who are in a client postion... As much as some women feel this is a service men seem to want... In all honesty I find most do not.

I am afraid for the safety of people I care about in this industry... This has got to stop!

 

[Alanis]

Wow, I have noticed a similar epidemic with MP scene, but in the other direction. There are sooo many clients that would pay ANY price to go down on a girl. Maybe it was just my luck yesterday particularly, but I got so turned off by so many civil clients I saw.

Even basic philosophizing about the risks of DATY for the girl (since they don't really care about themselves apparently!) does not work. Neither with the girls sometimes. I have worked briefly in this well known on the board spa and most of the girls illuminated me that if I wanted to "last" there, I needed to allow daty with BS. Nice! So I left before I put myself at the risk of contracting herpes or other stuff.

I understand that everyone has their own comfort level and can do whatever they wish for, but I hate when clients and the girls sometimes try to convince me -quite vehemently- that there is nothing to worry about DATY or rim job, they are perfectly clean, and they don't take NO for an answer.

Sorry, I had to vent today due to all that yesterday’s frustration (damn, some people just raise your hopes high and then don't perform !).

 

[gramage]

Alanis: jsut a thought, but if these guys want DATY so much why not use a dental dam? If you are uncomfortable with it anyway then of course don't do it, but that would offer protection.

 

[Alanis]

Well, Gramage, it is not like they come and bring dental dam to the session. Even if they did, I see some clients saying "Oh, well, that's not fun! Trust me, I am very clean. I have sex only with my wife, ok? I have never done this with a MPA before, you will be the first one- feel very special! And I know you are clean too (how?). I can tell. You are not this kind of a girl (little does he know! ) The list could go on and on...". In additon, the spa I work, tries to keep things very clean...

 

[gramage]

ah, the same argument these same guys would use to try and get bbfs, dumbasses. I personally don't see a lot of risk in DATY, but if the woman doesn't want you to do it how fun will it be anyway?

 

[Quest4Less]

Didn't ask...

This happened to me a while back... I was with a well reviewed girl from a respected agency (no, I will not tell), and we were having a great time. Everything was fine until round two started... we were going at it hot and heavy and I realised after she mounted up that I was not covered (I never even thought about it until I figured out why it felt so much better than the first round). It's a shame too because I would have liked to have her as a regular.

 

[Don]

Re: Didn't ask...

This happened to me a while back... I was with a well reviewed girl from a respected agency (no, I will not tell), and we were having a great time. Everything was fine until round two started... we were going at it hot and heavy and I realised after she mounted up that I was not covered (I never even thought about it until I figured out why it felt so much better than the first round). It's a shame too because I would have liked to have her as a regular.

Had an experience where I was also with a well reviewed girl who asked if I wanted to use a condom when I suggested that we go for the main course. I was like... umm..... YES!!!

That did freak me out a bit. She was very liberal (obviously)

 

[Willywants]

Supply and Demand!

Perhaps there's a shortage of safes on the market!!
On the other hand, it could be that the "Biz" has become so damned competitive that the ladies are trying to attract and retain clients at whatever cost!
Not at my expense! Keep your eyes open fellas!

Willy

 

[Sixer]

Risk

There is always risk involve when you see a stripper, MPA, SP or even your GF. The question is how much risks are you willing to take to trade in for your pleasure. I think the risks are too great for any BBFS activities for a short time of pleasure in return. Even BBFS with your GF is not 100% safe. Not to be an as**ole here but do guys really know how many men did their GFs slept with. I asked this question to my ex-GF before. And she would not answer such question. My friend told me that if your GF does ever tell you, just time that number by 2 or 3 to be exact.

One time I met this girl and we dated for a few months. She won't do it even with a condom on. And she asked me to get tested. I told her fine. We went to the clinic and get tested together. And we gave our DR the consent to tell us the result when both of us are present. We turn out to have nothings.

But this really doesn't mean anything. I can go screw around right after I got tested and contacted some STD and she could do the same as well.

So what is the conclusion? There is nothing 100% safe. Stop being so paranoid for every little thing, avoid high-risk activities and enjoy life. No one live forever.

 

[rr_bill]

Abstinence is the SAFE way!

DATY/BBBJ are RELATIVELY low risk activities.

Low risk compared to what other activity??

You must take into account, each STD on its own, to make such an assessment e.g. if an SP has oral or vaginal gonorreah it is almost a certainty that shortly, you will too, and similar chances of infection occur with herpes and some others as well. What you are probably citing here are the stats re: HIV. All STD's can not be considered equally infectious.

BBFS represents a level of risk that is somewhere around a thousand or more times as risky as DATY/BBBJ. (I'm going from memory here)

It all depends on what STD you are concerned about.

BBFS is no more dangerous than BBBJ IF your partner already has an infection (as mentioned above), in whichever cavity you decide to place wee willy without his headgear.

Identifying high risk SPs might discourage them from doing this and save them from themselves. And it would allow rational hobbyist to avoid suicidal SPs who don't seem to care who they take down with them! Safety is a far more important commodity than pleasure! I welcome PMs telling me which SPs offer this so I can avoid them like the plague!

I see this as a terribly dangerous area to get into.

Agreed, it is something that would be worth knowing, however, you must realize how easy it would be for someone who has a beef with an SP, whether it be an unhappy client or a rival SP, to be able to post such a statement and to thereby ruin her reputation forever, whether deserved or not.

Your best bet, nn, is to give up the hobby and remain forevermore celibate, after having a full STD screening as suggested by siobhan because there is no guarateed safe way.

 

[gassman]

risks

everything in life is risk management. I agree that BBFS in this business is beyond stupid....but....if you want to eliminate the risk of ANY STD in this business....pull out of the business from both the client and the SP's side. Several STD's are easily transmitted even with very vigilant use of condoms...if they are present in one partner......condoms offer very little protection from condylomata (warts) and herpes if they are active in one partner, especially from male to female as the lesions are often NOT on the penis and may not even be visisble to be active. and both of these are for life...forever and ever.

gassman

 

[rr_bill]

Right on!

...............if you want to eliminate the risk of ANY STD in this business....pull out of the business from both the client and the SP's side. Several STD's are easily transmitted even with very vigilant use of condoms...............gassman

Exactly the point I was trying to make. Either you learn how to handle the risk, both physically and emotionally, or you'd best move to another and safer hobby.

 

[alliwantislove]

How 'bout BBHJ, to Completion? Fingering?

Just curious ... how do providers feel about bbhj to completion? It seems to me that it should be very safe but we've all gotten so careful. (And with good reason!)

Likewise fingering (vaginal)? Does anyone have any KNOWLEDGE (as opposed to opinion) about the risks to SP and/or client?

Thanks, Bob

 

[Jenn_angel]

Re: How 'bout BBHJ, to Completion? Fingering?

Just curious ... how do providers feel about bbhj to completion? It seems to me that it should be very safe but we've all gotten so careful. (And with good reason!)

Likewise fingering (vaginal)? Does anyone have any KNOWLEDGE (as opposed to opinion) about the risks to SP and/or client?

Thanks, Bob

HJTC Should be relatively low risk with the ones transmited through fliuds... As long as... The area of ejaculation is not near any mucus membranes and hands and surface area are thoroughly washed after. Now the skin surface ones are a different story...

Now Digits as they have been called on this board... It is important for people to remember to wash their hands and trim their nails to ensure no cuts or outside bacteria enter through this method... Dirt under the nails contains many contaminates and may cause problems for the other person.

Oh and as clarification...

Hands should be washed before transferance from one's partner to self or back. This ensures no exchange of bodily fluids.

As far as surface ailments... They can be contracted through the skin to skin method by I don't think I need to clarify that.

 

[alliwantislove]

Fingering

I've actually used latex gloves for fingering. I was never sure if the girls saw that as considerate or geeky, nerdy, just plain silly. I haven't been using the latex gloves lately but also don't really let my finger penetrate very deeply.

Bob

 

[Jenn_angel]

Um... Gloves...

If you are going to use them... Don't buty the latex white ones get the blue ones... They are made from something else... They are actually better then latex and they will not cause a reaction for women where some latex ones will...

 

[batman3]

sorely your mailbox is full

 

[shack]

I think a latex body suit might do the trick. And then double condom on top just to provide that extra level of safety. As well, you could keep a supply of sterile wipes soaked in gluteraldehyde in case you wanted to be daring and go for a BBHS (bareback hand shake). You never know when your partner may have sneezed last. I sincerely believe that a shower cap will provide much more protection than a hair net and will not decrease your level of sensory stimulation. Many organisms can reside in our hair. One can never be too careful nowadays.

Sorry for being so cynical. I agree with safety, but give me a break. Gloves for a hand job? Puhlease.