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Frankfooter

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dvous11 said:
Right so stay closed minded and don’t even expose yourself to the possibility of being duped just like Covid and a myriad of other things?
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Happer has no formal training as a climate scientistIn 2014,

Happer said that the "demonization of carbon dioxide is just like the demonization of the poor Jews under Hitler.

In December 2015, Happer was targeted in a sting operation by the environmental activist group Greenpeace. Posing as consultants for a Middle Eastern oil and gas company, they asked Happer to write a report touting the benefits of rising carbon emissions. Happer declined a fee for his work, calling it a "labor of love", but said that they could donate to the "objective evidence" climate-change organization CO2 Coalition, which suggested that he contact the Donors Trust to keep the source of the funds secret as requested by the Greenpeace sting operation. Hiding the sources of funding in this way is lawful under U.S. law. Happer further acknowledged that his report would probably not pass peer-review with a scientific journal.[24] In an interview, Happer responded to the sting operation: "I was only interested in helping the 'client' to publicize my long-held views, not to peddle whatever message the 'client' had in mind ... I have never taken a dime for any of my activities to educate the public that more CO2 will benefit the world."[17]
 
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Frankfooter said:
Wiki:

Happer has no formal training as a climate scientistIn 2014,
Happer said that the "demonization of carbon dioxide is just like the demonization of the poor Jews under Hitler.
In December 2015, Happer was targeted in a sting operation by the environmental activist group Greenpeace. Posing as consultants for a Middle Eastern oil and gas company, they asked Happer to write a report touting the benefits of rising carbon emissions. Happer declined a fee for his work, calling it a "labor of love", but said that they could donate to the "objective evidence" climate-change organization CO2 Coalition, which suggested that he contact the Donors Trust to keep the source of the funds secret as requested by the Greenpeace sting operation. Hiding the sources of funding in this way is lawful under U.S. law. Happer further acknowledged that his report would probably not pass peer-review with a scientific journal.[24] In an interview, Happer responded to the sting operation: "I was only interested in helping the 'client' to publicize my long-held views, not to peddle whatever message the 'client' had in mind ... I have never taken a dime for any of my activities to educate the public that more CO2 will benefit the world."[17]
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Not the first time the organized censorship machine tried to demonize someone who counters the narrative.
Just watch the film.
Or are you afraid?
 
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Frankfooter

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dvous11 said:
Not the first time the organized censorship machine tried to demonize someone who counters the narrative.
Just watch the film.
Or are you afraid?
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No, just bored.
Its all the same oil funded nonsense.

Can you summarize the claim from this one?
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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toguy5252 said:
sometimes known as weather.
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You faithers have been saying that for 30 years now, and I still dont see palm trees in Toronto.
Every winter I hope you're right cause I despise cold weather, but every winter you let me down :(
 
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Phil C. McNasty said:
You faithers have been saying that for 30 years now, and I still dont see palm trees in Toronto.
Every winter I hope you're right cause I despise cold weather, but every winter you let me down :(
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have you compared the number of climate events today compared to when your father was young. Ask the insurance companies if climate change is real. You may be right about the pace of change but the direction is clear. The train may be late but is still coming down the track.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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toguy5252 said:
have you compared the number of climate events today compared to when your father was young. Ask the insurance companies if climate change is real. You may be right about the pace of change but the direction is clear. The train may be late but is still coming down the track
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Okay Mr. Expert, so give us the approximate dates of when the poles start melting (or have completely melted)
 
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Phil C. McNasty said:
Okay Mr. Expert, so give us the approximate dates of when the poles start melting (or have completely melted)
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I am not an expert and I haven't got the slightest clue. But does that mean that the trend is not clear. Ask farmers. The fact that something hasn't happened does not mean that it will not happen.
 
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All these projections are easy to make if you just compare what is happening now at the end of this ice age to what happened at the end of the last ice age.

Its like projecting whats going to happen every winter - it will get cold, the birds will fly south, the ice will form up North over the lake, it will snow, people in big trucks will crash on the highway because they think theyre invincible, children will build snowmen... and OMG every winter my precitions come true.

The predictions from the scientists make sense when you think about the natural cycles of the planet. And just like how we have worse winters and mild winters, we can have natural cycles that are milder than before and worse than before. This is probably just an extreme but normal end-of-an-ice-age cycle we are moving into...
 
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Jami77 said:
All these projections are easy to make if you just compare what is happening now at the end of this ice age to what happened at the end of the last ice age.

Its like projecting whats going to happen every winter - it will get cold, the birds will fly south, the ice will form up North over the lake, it will snow, people in big trucks will crash on the highway because they think theyre invincible, children will build snowmen... and OMG every winter my precitions come true.

The predictions from the scientists make sense when you think about the natural cycles of the planet. And just like how we have worse winters and mild winters, we can have natural cycles that are milder than before and worse than before. This is probably just an extreme but normal end-of-an-ice-age cycle we are moving into...
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If they are easy to make why haven't all the climate change deniers made their own more accurate projections?

Is it because we were in an interglacial period previous to industrialization?
The world was in a relatively stable, though slightly cooling, period after the last glacial period, around 10-12,000 years ago.

Now the holocene will be marked for the rapid rise in global temp, we're now off the top of the chart at close to 1.5ºC.


 
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We have warmed 1.5C in the last 100 years, last ice age was 10k years ago. If it was normal to warm 1.5C every 100 years then right now we should be 150C above ice age temperatures. Put another way, if it was normal to warm 1.5C every 100 years then this planet should be 30C warmer than when Jesus was around.
 
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HungSowel said:
We have warmed 1.5C in the last 100 years, last ice age was 10k years ago. If it was normal to warm 1.5C every 100 years then right now we should be 150C above ice age temperatures. Put another way, if it was normal to warm 1.5C every 100 years then this planet should be 30C warmer than when Jesus was around.
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Well maybe theres a tipping point period in every ice age - it just trickles along with hardly any movement then gathers pace at the end of the cycle. we could blame that on industrialisation or it could be just natural. Theres no way of knowing for sure. And who knows how to get it to top it back - or even if we can.

There was that recent news story where all the big ships crossing the atlantic were using cleaner fuel and carbon cleaners in the stacks and this not creating thos big smoke plumes. Then they realised that those big smoke plumes were actually reflecting heat back into space - and now the smoke plumes are gone the oceans are absorbing more of the heat. Who could have predicted such a thing?
 
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