Climate Change
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Meanwhile, every projection made by the IPCC is happening.Point made
The only errors made were by underestimating and the sudden spike in world temps and ocean temps over the last 2 years.
All these projections are easy to make if you just compare what is happening now at the end of this ice age to what happened at the end of the last ice age.
Its like projecting whats going to happen every winter - it will get cold, the birds will fly south, the ice will form up North over the lake, it will snow, people in big trucks will crash on the highway because they think theyre invincible, children will build snowmen... and OMG every winter my precitions come true.
The predictions from the scientists make sense when you think about the natural cycles of the planet. And just like how we have worse winters and mild winters, we can have natural cycles that are milder than before and worse than before. This is probably just an extreme but normal end-of-an-ice-age cycle we are moving into...
Its like projecting whats going to happen every winter - it will get cold, the birds will fly south, the ice will form up North over the lake, it will snow, people in big trucks will crash on the highway because they think theyre invincible, children will build snowmen... and OMG every winter my precitions come true.
The predictions from the scientists make sense when you think about the natural cycles of the planet. And just like how we have worse winters and mild winters, we can have natural cycles that are milder than before and worse than before. This is probably just an extreme but normal end-of-an-ice-age cycle we are moving into...
If they are easy to make why haven't all the climate change deniers made their own more accurate projections?
Is it because we were in an interglacial period previous to industrialization?
The world was in a relatively stable, though slightly cooling, period after the last glacial period, around 10-12,000 years ago.
Now the holocene will be marked for the rapid rise in global temp, we're now off the top of the chart at close to 1.5ºC.
We have warmed 1.5C in the last 100 years, last ice age was 10k years ago. If it was normal to warm 1.5C every 100 years then right now we should be 150C above ice age temperatures. Put another way, if it was normal to warm 1.5C every 100 years then this planet should be 30C warmer than when Jesus was around.
We're gonna get hit with more global warming today
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Well maybe theres a tipping point period in every ice age - it just trickles along with hardly any movement then gathers pace at the end of the cycle. we could blame that on industrialisation or it could be just natural. Theres no way of knowing for sure. And who knows how to get it to top it back - or even if we can.
There was that recent news story where all the big ships crossing the atlantic were using cleaner fuel and carbon cleaners in the stacks and this not creating thos big smoke plumes. Then they realised that those big smoke plumes were actually reflecting heat back into space - and now the smoke plumes are gone the oceans are absorbing more of the heat. Who could have predicted such a thing?
Look pal. We can explain it to you (ad nauseam) but we can't understand it for you...
There has been a big bump in sea and surface temps in the last year that scientists are still trying to understand.
Reducing sulphur in shipping fuel is one theory, AMOC slowdown is another and changing winds with less Sahara dust is another.
Its still unknown why but it was a big bump for one year.
At the end of the day we will never know if the reason is man-mad or natural. All we can know for certain is whats happening. Whether we can fix it or not is another question. Do we really think we an undo the damage from 200 years of indutrialisation? And is it really worth trying when some countries are still spewing methane into the atmosphere (looking at you Iceland - need to seal up that Volcano thing).
I think we just have to get ready for a Day After Tomorrow type event. Stock up on rice and food and gold coins and stuff. I'm gonna find that old Scottish guy in the hut monitoring the Atlantic temperature sensors. We can drink ourselves into oblivion with a few cases of single malt and some cookies and tell stories about how it used to in the good old days.
I think we just have to get ready for a Day After Tomorrow type event. Stock up on rice and food and gold coins and stuff. I'm gonna find that old Scottish guy in the hut monitoring the Atlantic temperature sensors. We can drink ourselves into oblivion with a few cases of single malt and some cookies and tell stories about how it used to in the good old days.
No, we definitely know that the 1.5ºC warming we experienced last year is from humans.
We really know? And its not a natural tipping point? How can we be so sure? Isn't there a small possibility that it could be part of the natural cycle of life?
Yes, we know with very high confidence level.
Its pretty easy to prove.
Name the natural tipping point that you think has warmed the planet about 1.5ºC in 100 or so years.
So is death, but you don't want to bring it on earlier than natural by repeatedly smashing bricks into your head.
Just like it is now - when the natural warming reaches a certain point the glaciers melt, the ocean salination changes, currents change and all this speeds up the melting of the north and south polar ice, which then increases the amount of fresh water in the oceans... and the cycle continues. This is a tipping point that could be entiredy natural... or caused by humans.
However IMO id say arguing the cause isnt really useful.
Maybe we can fix it by reducing human emissions but maybe we have also passed the point of no return and maybe its too late.
In the hopes that we can fix it we should be focusing on what it would take to reverse it. BUT just like the ships and their smoke clouds we have to be careful that we dont try fixing it and in doing so make it worse.
Our climate policies should focus on how to make the
most of Earth's remaining fossil fuel resources before
they are fully depleted.
With dirty coal we are already phasing it out from power
plants so as to export more of it along with subsequent
carbon pollution to the rest of the world. This is also the
climate change policy of Anthony Albanese's Australia who
was elected on the promise of ending the climate war.
The climate leader turned out to be a colossal climate
hypocrite--coal mining permits were granted with no
regard to climate change under him.
With crude oil Jonathan Wilkinson has made it clear
we will continue producing deep water oil beyond 2050
when zero-emission is set to have been reached. The
trick is to produce zero-emission oil a condition imposed
by Steven Guilbeault on the Bay Du Nord oil drilling project.
This way we can squeeze our oil fields to the last drop
on good conscience.
most of Earth's remaining fossil fuel resources before
they are fully depleted.
With dirty coal we are already phasing it out from power
plants so as to export more of it along with subsequent
carbon pollution to the rest of the world. This is also the
climate change policy of Anthony Albanese's Australia who
was elected on the promise of ending the climate war.
The climate leader turned out to be a colossal climate
hypocrite--coal mining permits were granted with no
regard to climate change under him.
With crude oil Jonathan Wilkinson has made it clear
we will continue producing deep water oil beyond 2050
when zero-emission is set to have been reached. The
trick is to produce zero-emission oil a condition imposed
by Steven Guilbeault on the Bay Du Nord oil drilling project.
This way we can squeeze our oil fields to the last drop
on good conscience.
If its human caused then we can change human behaviour and fix it before too many tipping points are reached.
But clearly its not 'natural' because you can't name one natural mechanism that would have warmed the planet 1.5ºC.
