Look pal. We can explain it to you (ad nauseam) but we can't understand it for you...
Climate Change
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I have an idea - lets come up with an AI that controls everything that causes the global warming, and let the AI go live and control the world and our lives and see what happens then.
There has been a big bump in sea and surface temps in the last year that scientists are still trying to understand.
Reducing sulphur in shipping fuel is one theory, AMOC slowdown is another and changing winds with less Sahara dust is another.
Its still unknown why but it was a big bump for one year.
At the end of the day we will never know if the reason is man-mad or natural. All we can know for certain is whats happening. Whether we can fix it or not is another question. Do we really think we an undo the damage from 200 years of indutrialisation? And is it really worth trying when some countries are still spewing methane into the atmosphere (looking at you Iceland - need to seal up that Volcano thing).
I think we just have to get ready for a Day After Tomorrow type event. Stock up on rice and food and gold coins and stuff. I'm gonna find that old Scottish guy in the hut monitoring the Atlantic temperature sensors. We can drink ourselves into oblivion with a few cases of single malt and some cookies and tell stories about how it used to in the good old days.
I think we just have to get ready for a Day After Tomorrow type event. Stock up on rice and food and gold coins and stuff. I'm gonna find that old Scottish guy in the hut monitoring the Atlantic temperature sensors. We can drink ourselves into oblivion with a few cases of single malt and some cookies and tell stories about how it used to in the good old days.
No, we definitely know that the 1.5ºC warming we experienced last year is from humans.
We really know? And its not a natural tipping point? How can we be so sure? Isn't there a small possibility that it could be part of the natural cycle of life?
Yes, we know with very high confidence level.
Its pretty easy to prove.
Name the natural tipping point that you think has warmed the planet about 1.5ºC in 100 or so years.
So is death, but you don't want to bring it on earlier than natural by repeatedly smashing bricks into your head.
Just like it is now - when the natural warming reaches a certain point the glaciers melt, the ocean salination changes, currents change and all this speeds up the melting of the north and south polar ice, which then increases the amount of fresh water in the oceans... and the cycle continues. This is a tipping point that could be entiredy natural... or caused by humans.
However IMO id say arguing the cause isnt really useful.
Maybe we can fix it by reducing human emissions but maybe we have also passed the point of no return and maybe its too late.
In the hopes that we can fix it we should be focusing on what it would take to reverse it. BUT just like the ships and their smoke clouds we have to be careful that we dont try fixing it and in doing so make it worse.
Our climate policies should focus on how to make the
most of Earth's remaining fossil fuel resources before
they are fully depleted.
With dirty coal we are already phasing it out from power
plants so as to export more of it along with subsequent
carbon pollution to the rest of the world. This is also the
climate change policy of Anthony Albanese's Australia who
was elected on the promise of ending the climate war.
The climate leader turned out to be a colossal climate
hypocrite--coal mining permits were granted with no
regard to climate change under him.
With crude oil Jonathan Wilkinson has made it clear
we will continue producing deep water oil beyond 2050
when zero-emission is set to have been reached. The
trick is to produce zero-emission oil a condition imposed
by Steven Guilbeault on the Bay Du Nord oil drilling project.
This way we can squeeze our oil fields to the last drop
on good conscience.
most of Earth's remaining fossil fuel resources before
they are fully depleted.
With dirty coal we are already phasing it out from power
plants so as to export more of it along with subsequent
carbon pollution to the rest of the world. This is also the
climate change policy of Anthony Albanese's Australia who
was elected on the promise of ending the climate war.
The climate leader turned out to be a colossal climate
hypocrite--coal mining permits were granted with no
regard to climate change under him.
With crude oil Jonathan Wilkinson has made it clear
we will continue producing deep water oil beyond 2050
when zero-emission is set to have been reached. The
trick is to produce zero-emission oil a condition imposed
by Steven Guilbeault on the Bay Du Nord oil drilling project.
This way we can squeeze our oil fields to the last drop
on good conscience.
If its human caused then we can change human behaviour and fix it before too many tipping points are reached.
But clearly its not 'natural' because you can't name one natural mechanism that would have warmed the planet 1.5ºC.
#1 - Volcanos.
#2 - Cows farting. Although I get it we bred way too many so yeah thats probably human made.
But Volcanos def contributed to it.
#3 - El Nino. Is that natural or man made?
#4 - Increases in Solar radiation. I think thats natural.
#5 - Changes in earths orbit. Again i dont think humans did that. Even with all the obesity - I guess if all the fattys are on one side of the planet that could throw it off kilter maybe...
to be fair I'm not saying that humans didnt create most of it. But theres definitely at least more than 1 natural cause.
But enough to make a difference to the natural cycle of things? Thats whats debatable.
And at the end of the day. Maybe we only sped up the cycle by a couple of hundred or thousand of years. But it was coming anyway and I doubt we can change it back anytime soon. So we better get used to it.
8 years ago Bloomberg posted a site answering all those questions and charting their influence on the climate. I think its behind a paywall now, but its still up and the numbers aren't that different.
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
www.bloomberg.com
Scientists have crunched all those numbers and none of your list has influenced the global climate in a long term way. El Nino bumped the temp up for a year, but that's ending now and its calculated.
C02 is 420 parts per million in the atmosphere
historically that concentration has been much higher 2000 to 7000 parts per million
nature cycles 50 X the amount of CO2 humans produce
there is no climate emergency
believing humans can control our extremely complex climate system is absurd and hubris
When the concentration was that high the global temperature was at a thermal maximum.
Do you want that for your kids?
The sea level rise is just crazy. I dont see how we're gonna survive the next few decades
I didnt see any sea level rise in that twitter thing - what was I missing? All I saw was a village grow up.... sea stayed where it was - I wouldnt say it was devastating.
