Climate Change

Y_Diner

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I would disagree.
Blame the people in power who refuse to change the system so that there are viable options.
Blame the people who took the oil$gas money instead trying to fix the problems.

Anything is greenwashing.
They are all to blame as well.
No one is innocent in this situation.
 

roddermac

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It’s all those things and more.
Most don’t care, never have and never will.
What’s matters to most is their social media getting views and likes, the latest fast food, and fashion craze, and let’s not forget, the Kardashians and the like.
Earth might be done with us soon. She’ll go on.
We will not.
 
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lomotil

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Right, but earth has only warmed up 1 to 1.5 degrees C over the last century or so, and the sky hasnt fallen yet.
And this is after scientists predicted in the 1990's that a 1 degree increase would cause serious climate change, which never happened
Climate change has been going on well before recorded history and will continue to do so. Human civilization has adapted in some cases and in others not so much I& at all and it is not reasonable to expect the climate to not vary for human convenience. There are examples of local devastation such as in northern Indian and Pakistan where accelerated glacial melts have resulted in major flooding , so for the locals, “the sky has fallen”
I know of some Blue Mountain sky operations that are hurting too.
 

Frankfooter

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Climate change has been going on well before recorded history and will continue to do so. Human civilization has adapted in some cases and in others not so much I& at all and it is not reasonable to expect the climate to not vary for human convenience. There are examples of local devastation such as in northern Indian and Pakistan where accelerated glacial melts have resulted in major flooding , so for the locals, “the sky has fallen”
I know of some Blue Mountain sky operations that are hurting too.
The only times in history the planet have changed as much as fast were from asteroid or super volcano.

Adapting to an AMOC shutdown would suck massively and its likely to happen in the near future.
You should check it out.

Oil$gas just wants more of this.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Climate change has been going on well before recorded history and will continue to do so. Human civilization has adapted in some cases and in others not so much I& at all and it is not reasonable to expect the climate to not vary for human convenience. There are examples of local devastation such as in northern Indian and Pakistan where accelerated glacial melts have resulted in major flooding , so for the locals, “the sky has fallen”
I know of some Blue Mountain sky operations that are hurting too
Floods and warm periods have happened for thousands of years.
If tomorrow a huge flood happened that would flood most of Holland, Scandinavia and Germany, you would probably blame that on climate change as well.
And yet this did happen, but it happened in 1717 which obviously cannot be attributed to global warming


The list of historical floods is a long one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_floods

As far as glaciers melting, I'm sure that has happened throughout history as well, but since record keeping was pretty much non-existent we'll never know for sure
 

niniveh

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Floods and warm periods have happened for thousands of years.
If tomorrow a huge flood happened that would flood most of Holland, Scandinavia and Germany, you would probably blame that on climate change as well.
And yet this did happen, but it happened in 1717 which obviously cannot be attributed to global warming


The list of historical floods is a long one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_floods

As far as glaciers melting, I'm sure that has happened throughout history as well, but since record keeping was pretty much non-existent we'll never know for sure
Unexplained Cooling of Atlantic Near the Equator

 
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JohnLarue

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Unexplained Cooling of Atlantic Near the Equator

Unexplained happens when scientists do not thoroughly understand a non-linear chaotic, dynamic climate system

following a monthslong streak of the warmest surface waters in more than 40 years.
40 years?
how long have we had accurate and semi- complete data on the surface temperature of the oceans ?
50 years maybe ?

how long have the ever changing oceans been around?
 

Frankfooter

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Unexplained happens when scientists do not thoroughly understand a non-linear chaotic, dynamic climate system


40 years?
how long have we had accurate and semi- complete data on the surface temperature of the oceans ?
50 years maybe ?

how long have the ever changing oceans been around?
Just because its too hard for you to too understand doesn't mean other people can't.
 

Frankfooter

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Stupid gif.

You really think oil and coal leaves no mess?

alberta has a $250 billion bill for cleaning up old oil wells.



 

JohnLarue

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Just because its too hard for you to too understand doesn't mean other people can't.
i understand the difference between propaganda and scientific facts

you do not
what you truly understand about the science of our extremely complex, non-linear, dynamic climate system would not fill a dixie cup

you reject / ignore fundamental laws of nature in order to push your failed socialist agenda


your views are of zero value
please go finish your high school equivalence requirements
 

HungSowel

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Exactly. But why use the one that's inefficient. It just wastes resources and leaves the same garbage.
What do you mean by inefficient?

The lithium battery in your phone can recharge 1000 times. The ones in most EVs can recharge 4000 times. The newest ones in EVs can be recharged 20000 times, it can last for 50 years if you fully discharge and charge (~400 km) once a day, if you drive 100km a day that battery will last 200 years.

How many times can you use the same gasoline? Once.
 
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oil&gas

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How many times can you use the same gasoline? Once.
How many times can you drive the same ICE car? Probably
as many times as you can drive an EV.

How many times you have to charge an EV? Maybe
roughly about as many times as you have to fill up
an ICE car.


What is the efficiency of charging and running an EV by
comparison to an ICE car?

That really depends on the energy source. A Tesla
in China is likely charged by coal-generated electric
power. Here in Canada it could be electricity produced
from a natural gas-powered generator, nuclear power
plant or water hydro power.

Construction, maintenance and fueling an EV is
rather energy intensive. Manufacturing and production of
materials and metals required to build an EV is likely to be
more damaging to the environment than what is entailed
in building an ICE car. One thing is certain though, an EV
running on lithium battery is not as affordable to the less
affluent than an ICE car irrespective of its energy efficiency.
 
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