Solar Panels Are Starting to Die, Leaving Behind Toxic Trash
Photovoltaic panels are a boon for clean energy but are tricky to recycle. As the oldest ones expire, get ready for a solar e-waste glut.
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Same day different shit……….the Alberta Tar Sands"View attachment 355704Solar Panels Are Starting to Die, Leaving Behind Toxic Trash
Photovoltaic panels are a boon for clean energy but are tricky to recycle. As the oldest ones expire, get ready for a solar e-waste glut.www.wired.com
Rape is rape….Lithium or Oil…
Just because its too hard for you to too understand doesn't mean other people can't.
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Photovoltaic panels are a boon for clean energy but are tricky to recycle. As the oldest ones expire, get ready for a solar e-waste glut.
You really think oil and coal leaves no mess?
alberta has a $250 billion bill for cleaning up old oil wells.
i understand the difference between propaganda and scientific facts
you do not
what you truly understand about the science of our extremely complex, non-linear, dynamic climate system would not fill a dixie cup
you reject / ignore fundamental laws of nature in order to push your failed socialist agenda
your views are of zero value
please go finish your high school equivalence requirements
They both pollute. Oils and gas are just more reliable at the moment. So why not just use them until we find a better way.
Exactly. But why use the one that's inefficient. It just wastes resources and leaves the same garbage.
What do you mean by inefficient?
The lithium battery in your phone can recharge 1000 times. The ones in most EVs can recharge 4000 times. The newest ones in EVs can be recharged 20000 times, it can last for 50 years if you fully discharge and charge (~400 km) once a day, if you drive 100km a day that battery will last 200 years.
How many times can you use the same gasoline? Once.
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They are not remotely on the same level.
Global Energy Footprint
How does energy production affect health, environment, climate and economy?
energy.glex.no
How many times can you drive the same ICE car? Probably
as many times as you can drive an EV.
How many times you have to charge an EV? Maybe
roughly about as many times as you have to fill up
an ICE car.
What is the efficiency of charging and running an EV by
comparison to an ICE car?
That really depends on the energy source. A Tesla
in China is likely charged by coal-generated electric
power. Here in Canada it could be electricity produced
from a natural gas-powered generator, nuclear power
plant or water hydro power.
Construction, maintenance and fueling an EV is
rather energy intensive. Manufacturing and production of
materials and metals required to build an EV is likely to be
more damaging to the environment than what is entailed
in building an ICE car. One thing is certain though, an EV
running on lithium battery is not as affordable to the less
affluent than an ICE car irrespective of its energy efficiency.
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This is the only part of your reply that seems coherent, the rest is your usual meandering ramblings.
I asked chatGPT that question because google search did a sh*t job.
What is the efficiency of charging and running an EV by comparison to an ICE car?
ChatGPT said:
When comparing the efficiency of charging and running an electric vehicle (EV) to an internal combustion engine (ICE) car, several factors come into play. Here’s a breakdown of the key points:
Energy Efficiency
- EV Efficiency:
- Electric Motor Efficiency: Electric motors are highly efficient, with typical efficiencies ranging from 85% to 95%. This means that most of the electrical energy stored in the battery is converted into motion.
- Energy Use: EVs often use about 0.2 to 0.3 kWh per mile, translating to roughly 3 to 5 miles per kWh.
- ICE Car Efficiency:
- Combustion Engine Efficiency: ICE engines are less efficient, typically converting only about 20% to 30% of the energy in gasoline into useful motion. The rest is lost as heat and friction.
- Energy Use: ICE cars usually achieve about 20 to 30 miles per gallon, which is roughly equivalent to 0.033 to 0.05 gallons per mile.
- EVs:
- Power Generation: The efficiency of generating electricity varies based on the source. Coal-fired power plants are less efficient (around 30% efficiency), while natural gas plants are somewhat better (around 45% efficiency). Renewable sources like wind and solar can be nearly 100% efficient in terms of converting natural resources into electricity.
- Transmission Losses: There are losses associated with transmitting electricity from power plants to charging stations and then to the vehicle. These losses are typically around 5-10%.
- ICE Cars:
- Fuel Extraction and Refinement: The efficiency of extracting, refining, and transporting gasoline or diesel contributes to overall inefficiency. This process typically involves losses of around 10-15%.
- Overall Efficiency: Combining engine efficiency with fuel extraction, refining, and distribution, ICE vehicles often have a well-to-wheel efficiency of around 15-20%.
- EVs:
- Emissions: EVs produce no tailpipe emissions, which can significantly reduce overall emissions if charged from renewable sources.
- Maintenance: EVs generally require less maintenance because they have fewer moving parts and no need for oil changes.
- ICE Cars:
- Emissions: ICE vehicles emit CO2 and other pollutants directly from the tailpipe. Their environmental impact can be reduced with improvements in fuel efficiency and emission controls, but they still contribute to air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions.
- Maintenance: ICE vehicles typically require more frequent maintenance, including oil changes, and have a more complex mechanical system.
In summary, EVs are generally more energy-efficient than ICE vehicles. The higher efficiency of electric motors compared to combustion engines, combined with the potential for using renewable energy sources, makes EVs a more efficient choice in terms of energy consumption and environmental impact. However, the overall efficiency of EVs can be affected by the sources of electricity used for charging and the energy losses in the power generation and distribution process.
Why is it that higher energy-efficiency of EVs translates
to higher cost than ICE vehicles in spite of subsidies through
generous rebates at the expense of taxpayers?
to higher cost than ICE vehicles in spite of subsidies through
generous rebates at the expense of taxpayers?
BYD has EVs starting at 10k USD, they sell them all around the world except for the US and Canada, I believe Mexico does not have a tariff or has a very low tariff. EVs are only expensive in Canada and the US.
Interestingly, local automobile manufacturers seemed to have decided EVs
to be less profitable to make even with government subsidies than ICE cars.
I gather China and Mexico can also produce ICE cars cheaper than their EVs.
Ontario insists EV subsidies not wasted as Ford Motor Co. plans gas trucks for Oakville | Globalnews.ca
The Ford Motors plant in Oakville, Ont., was meant to retool for electric vehicles and batteries. Now, the auto giant plans to make 100,000 gas-powered trucks there first.
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Ford drops EV plans, adds Super Duty truck production to Ontario plant
The Oakville, Ont. plant was supposed to start making three-row EVs in 2027, but will start truck production in 2026
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The US has now experienced more extreme hurricanes in the last 8 years than the last 50 total.
He's a fossil fuel funded clown.
Perfect for you.
A hurricane is your argument. What makes him a fossil fuel clown. You know this how. Yet you believe what an autistic 16 year old with anger issues tells you.
