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CIA Have Detected Putin's Direct Hacking into USA Elections

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Voter lists can come from public documents. Remember everyone registers as either a Dem, GoP or independent.

And so many private companies have those lists as well I doubt you could pinpoint the source. I would in fact say the same about Democrat lists. They are formed from surveys, public registers, donation lists etc. And widely disseminated now.
They got lots of stuff they weren't supposed to have.
 

Butler1000

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They got lots of stuff they weren't supposed to have.
The Republicans AND democrats wouldn't really have any security to those lists. They would WANT their various agents, cyber, phone, door to door to be able to access them easily, especially at the state and precinct level.

This inst high level stuff fuji. At all. It wouldn't surpise me is the password was "password".

Or either "Trumpsucks" for the Dems and "Hillaryblows" for the GoP.

But the private emails of the DNC server got hacked. And they REFUSED to allow the FBI to investigate. Why? I wonder what information was lost. And that they were worried that information would get out during the campaign.

They were more worried about CYA then security. And that's why they look so bad.
 

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The Republicans AND democrats wouldn't really have any security to those lists. They would WANT their various agents, cyber, phone, door to door to be able to access them easily, especially at the state and precinct level.

This inst high level stuff fuji. At all. It wouldn't surpise me is the password was "password".

Or either "Trumpsucks" for the Dems and "Hillaryblows" for the GoP.

But the private emails of the DNC server got hacked. And they REFUSED to allow the FBI to investigate. Why? I wonder what information was lost. And that they were worried that information would get out during the campaign.

They were more worried about CYA then security. And that's why they look so bad.
Your in denial about the extent of the attacks on the voting system and the interference in the election. I think you know what the Russians did but you're trying to deny it because it undercuts Trump's legitimacy.
 

Butler1000

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Your in denial about the extent of the attacks on the voting system and the interference in the election. I think you know what the Russians did but you're trying to deny it because it undercuts Trump's legitimacy.
The only hack that occurred was to the DNC of any consequence. It has been determined by DHC that no voting machines were compromised. Attacks sure. Unsuccessful ones.

Or so crappy they gave Hillary more votes!

Seriously fuji just accept the following things.

Trump won legitimately.

Clinton lost legitimately.

Both were terrible.

And now it's time to make the best of things. All these investigations are about the election outcome and that they can't accept it. And as a result of their efforts the Dems have nothing to show for it but four special election losses.

They need to start thinking about what's wrong with themselves instead of seeking scapegoats for their own failures.

A few are now. More will as losses mount. Upcoming elections are as much a referendum on Pelosi and crowd as Trump. Without significant gains they will find themselves turfed as well.

If obstruction charges against Lynch don't get them first.
 

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The only hack that occurred was to the DNC of any consequence. It has been determined by DHC that no voting machines were compromised. Attacks sure. Unsuccessful ones.

Or so crappy they gave Hillary more votes!

Seriously fuji just accept the following things.

Trump won legitimately.

Clinton lost legitimately.

Both were terrible.

And now it's time to make the best of things. All these investigations are about the election outcome and that they can't accept it. And as a result of their efforts the Dems have nothing to show for it but four special election losses.

They need to start thinking about what's wrong with themselves instead of seeking scapegoats for their own failures.

A few are now. More will as losses mount. Upcoming elections are as much a referendum on Pelosi and crowd as Trump. Without significant gains they will find themselves turfed as well.

If obstruction charges against Lynch don't get them first.
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/6/13/15791744/russia-election-39-states-hack-putin-trump-sessions
 

mandrill

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So aree then saying Russia, for no reason, suddenly decided to turn things on their head? That Romney didn't know what he was talking about about 2 years later Russia "suddenly became a threat again".

One hell of a two step. Sounds to me like he say what was coming. And the Obama admin failed to see it and publicly mocked it as well.

Romney accurately predicted two years in advance a Russian threat. And you are going to defend Obama now because why again? They didn't see it coming?

Ok........
That is exactly what I am saying and I know a lot more about Russia than you do.

Or alternatively, Putin ALWAYS meant to turn on the West, but the Ukrainian Revolution of 2014 forced his hand and made him change his stance abruptly and drastically when he had to seize Crimea.
 

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The only hack that occurred was to the DNC of any consequence. It has been determined by DHC that no voting machines were compromised. Attacks sure. Unsuccessful ones.

Or so crappy they gave Hillary more votes!

Seriously fuji just accept the following things.

Trump won legitimately.

Clinton lost legitimately.

Both were terrible.

And now it's time to make the best of things. All these investigations are about the election outcome and that they can't accept it. And as a result of their efforts the Dems have nothing to show for it but four special election losses.

They need to start thinking about what's wrong with themselves instead of seeking scapegoats for their own failures.

A few are now. More will as losses mount. Upcoming elections are as much a referendum on Pelosi and crowd as Trump. Without significant gains they will find themselves turfed as well.

If obstruction charges against Lynch don't get them first.
Latest is that the RNC was hacked as well, but Wikileaks / Putin released no compromising material re the RNC / GOP. As well, I understand that voter data in the electoral records system was also hacked that makes it plausible for the Russians to thoroughly and catastrophically subvert future elections.
 

mandrill

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The only hack that occurred was to the DNC of any consequence. It has been determined by DHC that no voting machines were compromised. Attacks sure. Unsuccessful ones.

Or so crappy they gave Hillary more votes!

Seriously fuji just accept the following things.

Trump won legitimately.

Clinton lost legitimately.

Both were terrible.

And now it's time to make the best of things. All these investigations are about the election outcome and that they can't accept it. And as a result of their efforts the Dems have nothing to show for it but four special election losses.

They need to start thinking about what's wrong with themselves instead of seeking scapegoats for their own failures.

A few are now. More will as losses mount. Upcoming elections are as much a referendum on Pelosi and crowd as Trump. Without significant gains they will find themselves turfed as well.

If obstruction charges against Lynch don't get them first.

I am more concerned with preventing future Russian subversion. The Russians attempted to hack the Ukrainian electoral system in 2015 and thought - wrongly - that they had succeeded. As well, Wikileaks predictably hit Putin foe Macron in the last French election. If you're not concerned with this shit, then that is because you're still preening that your boy won the last US election and take this all a little too personally.
 

Butler1000

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I am more concerned with preventing future Russian subversion. The Russians attempted to hack the Ukrainian electoral system in 2015 and thought - wrongly - that they had succeeded. As well, Wikileaks predictably hit Putin foe Macron in the last French election. If you're not concerned with this shit, then that is because you're still preening that your boy won the last US election and take this all a little too personally.
Of course I'm concerned. I want the agencies to go after the Russians.

But that isn't what the Dems want. They want to play politics.

We are in more agreement then you think. But I'm not shocked by the attempts of the Russians. I expect it.

The Dems didn't take it seriously. And when it came back to bite them on the ass only now it's a crisis.
 

Butler1000

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Latest is that the RNC was hacked as well, but Wikileaks / Putin released no compromising material re the RNC / GOP. As well, I understand that voter data in the electoral records system was also hacked that makes it plausible for the Russians to thoroughly and catastrophically subvert future elections.
As I asked fuji I'm waiting for an intelligence agency to come out and state this. And that information was compromised. Could it have happened? Of course.

But as I said before as well. The DNC leak proved that they colluded within to crown Clinton. That the primary was a sham.

What exactly could have been in the RNC database, who essentially publicly stated their opposition to Trump, that could have hurt Trump in the election.

And one has ever answered that either.
 

Butler1000

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That is exactly what I am saying and I know a lot more about Russia than you do.

Or alternatively, Putin ALWAYS meant to turn on the West, but the Ukrainian Revolution of 2014 forced his hand and made him change his stance abruptly and drastically when he had to seize Crimea.
OK. And I'm going to say that Romney who was receiving security briefings on the campaign trail would know a hell of a lot more than you.

So when it comes down to who knew more Romney kicks your ass. And now history has shown he was right.

And Obama was wrong.
 

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As it states in the article. No direct effect. Attempts without success.

And considering he lost the popular vote I'd say that was correct.
Actually officials testified that several attempts were successful. They didn't specify which it what the actual impact was.
 

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Back in the 2012 election when Mitt Romney said Russia was a threat what did Obama say?

"The 1980's called and want their foreign policy back".

So obviously the intelligence community knew at the time because he was receiving briefings. And he did nothing then obviously as well. And for the next four years.

So yes it can be laid at his doorstep if he low prioritized it. And judging from his words and actions he did just that.
Trump clearly asked Putin and Russia to hack into Clinton's emails that were supposed to contain very secret information. This nutcase encouraged the Russians to intervene in the elections. Then he criticised Obama's sanctions and expulsion of the Russian diplomats and praised Putin for the way in which he handled the sanctions and expulsions. Trump was briefed by both the CIA and the FBI, about the Russian interventions in the elections, and he has been in office for six months, all he has done is warmly welcomed the Russian Ministers and criticised the FBI chief that he fired. Yes, slammed Comey in front of Russian Minister.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/videos/a55893/trump-russia-hack-hillary/
 

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OK. And I'm going to say that Romney who was receiving security briefings on the campaign trail would know a hell of a lot more than you.

So when it comes down to who knew more Romney kicks your ass. And now history has shown he was right.

And Obama was wrong.
You have no idea what Romney knew or didn't know. So go back to bed.
 

Butler1000

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Actually officials testified that several attempts were successful. They didn't specify which it what the actual impact was.
Link? Because I saw several reports the intelligence agencies reported the opposite.
 

Butler1000

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You have no idea what Romney knew or didn't know. So go back to bed.
Neither do you. But he predicted the Russian threat two years in advance. So history is on his side.

And Obama didn't just ignore it. He dismissed it publicly didn't he.
 

Butler1000

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Trump clearly asked Putin and Russia to hack into Clinton's emails that were supposed to contain very secret information. This nutcase encouraged the Russians to intervene in the elections. Then he criticised Obama's sanctions and expulsion of the Russian diplomats and praised Putin for the way in which he handled the sanctions and expulsions. Trump was briefed by both the CIA and the FBI, about the Russian interventions in the elections, and he has been in office for six months, all he has done is warmly welcomed the Russian Ministers and criticised the FBI chief that he fired. Yes, slammed Comey in front of Russian Minister.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/videos/a55893/trump-russia-hack-hillary/
He was engaged in hyperbole and playing to the crowd. Being the jackass he is. Funny how so many say you can't take anything he says seriously unless they feel like using it later to prove a stupid point.
 

mandrill

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Neither do you. But he predicted the Russian threat two years in advance. So history is on his side.

And Obama didn't just ignore it. He dismissed it publicly didn't he.
In 2012, there was no indication that Russia was going to become hostile. Any suggestion by you that Romney was more insightful - as opposed to just selecting a talking point that was distinct from Obama's - is speculation. I'm not going to deal with this anymore and will ignore your future posts on this point as time-wasters.
 

mandrill

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Breaking today, major hacking attempt on Ukraine government's computer system.

Oh, I wonder who is doing this???!! Could it be Russia and Putin??!!! But the entire Russian hacking investigation is a tedious time waster. Why would the US even bother to investigate them??!!
 
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