All you know is that car a collided with protesters. You don't know why it collided with them. You also have no information that it collided with Heyer, or had anything to do with her death. Maybe that information exists, but you don't have it. So, if you're prepared to reach that conclusion on what you know, it must be because of the narrative you CHOOSE to believe, not because that narrative has been substantiated.
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Frank is intellectually dishonest. He frequently creates false narratives suggesting that those who disagree with him must be getting their opinions from unsavoury sources (classic "guilt by association" logical fallacy). Only problem is, he makes this argument even when posters: a) don't even advance the arguments that he attacks, and/or b) rely on YouTube videos for their eye witness video content only, not for the commentary of the poster. This is one of the many reasons why dealing with his posts is ALWAYS a waste of time.
These tactics are simple to derail in face to face dialogue (where I think Frank meets with little tolerance for his approach), but are tedious to address in the back and forth of internet posting. That's why he spends so much time here.
What we know is the police felt they had enough evidence to arrest him, the DA has enough evidence to charge him, and currently the DA still believes that the evidence will lead to a guilty verdict.
What you are posting is completely unsubstantiated garbage designed to make it seem like the white supremacist piece of trash is really just a patsy.
Speaking of avoiding face to face dialogue....
The people claiming that the neo-nazi, Shield, did not kill one particular protester when he drove his car into a crowd and then was subsequently arrested for murder, are those who have read this theory on white supremacist sites or newsgroups.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2017/09/11/nazis-claiming-heyer-died-heart-attack/
https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2...te-nationalist-who-allegedly-killed-He/217886
If Bud Plug really doesn't understand that by pushing this argument this hard he is aligning himself with white supremacists and nazis then he is either really not very bright or just a white supremacist himself.
The articles on the two links reflect what some of the TERB members were spewing out about Heather Heyer and blaming her for her own death. They insisted that she should never have been there to protest against these KKK and Neo-nazi demonstrators. Why on earth would anyone not want to protest against Neo-nazi ideology?? But, then blaming her for her own death is really disgusting.
Exactly, there are plenty of conspiracy theories Plug go follow that wouldn't have him hanging out with neo-nazis. This one makes even the Sandy Hill deniers look moderate.
If you could think more clearly, you would realize that different people with different motivations can try to make different things out of the same limited set of facts. Some people who look at the absence of publicly available evidence surrounding this incident, including the most basic information as to how the incident led to Heyer's death, might try to weave the facts into a tapestry of how American (white) values are under attack and how politicians and police are complicit in that attack. Others might weave the facts into a story about media manipulation, either in support of political parties or a broader liberal agenda. Or a theory of how law enforcement is no longer a reliable social institution, as it has become too responsive to political interference/pressure. Or the facts can be examined simply from a legal perspective as to whether the charges which have been laid are likely to be sustained. And, of course, some people (like you) will attempt to peddle the position that Heyer is the victim of a terrorist act intended to suppress opposition to the KKK and white nationalists.
It would be rational to challenge any of these theories if/when they are advanced before sufficient supporting evidence is available.
However, your problem is that you don't want to even acknowledge that there are insufficient facts available to support any of these theories at the moment. Put another way, you appear not to want to know the facts, and you resent any effort to discuss them or gather more information.
Your behaviour is that of someone who feels that the wrong facts might threaten their world view in some important way.
What I have posted are links to a number of videos which no one has claimed are fraudulent which raise a variety of analytical questions concerning this incident, including the question of how, exactly, Heyer was killed.
What you have posted is proof that you don't know how to use the word "unsubstantiated" in a sentence.
That confirms that Bud Plug is 'investigating' this act of terrorism through surfing neo-nazi friendly sites based on white supremacist ideas.
As suspected.
American values = white values. You really are a white supremacist. I thought you were just some kooky right wing sophist/troll, but you really are actually promoting white supremacist ideas.
I thought it was a slur that you surf white supremacist websites and such, but it looks to be true.
You're really a piece of work.
It's hilarious to me how many posts there are on this thread from Frank and Fuji, who I ignore.
Lets play a game. I promise I haven't read their posts. Here's my guess as to what they posted:
1. Frank. He'll claim that my analysis is rooted in reading alt-right websites. This will be particularly funny if I'm right, considering I posted that's exactly what he tends to do. And, it goes without saying, he's totally wrong. My sources of information are YouTube, police press releases, and media interviews.
2. Fuji. He'll claim that I have adopted positions that I haven't, and he'll call me a fascist/racist. And, of course, he'll be wrong in claiming I've adopted the positions he attributes to me.
So, for those who read their posts, how close was I?
Lets play a game. I promise I haven't read their posts. Here's my guess as to what they posted:
1. Frank. He'll claim that my analysis is rooted in reading alt-right websites. This will be particularly funny if I'm right, considering I posted that's exactly what he tends to do. And, it goes without saying, he's totally wrong. My sources of information are YouTube, police press releases, and media interviews.
2. Fuji. He'll claim that I have adopted positions that I haven't, and he'll call me a fascist/racist. And, of course, he'll be wrong in claiming I've adopted the positions he attributes to me.
So, for those who read their posts, how close was I?
CNN wrote a good article on white supremacists in the US, from a historical perspective and grouping them by their actions.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/ordinary-white-supremacists/index.html
Of the four groups they mention there, I'd have to think Bud Plug belongs in the first. He's probably not an out and out nazi, but his continual attempt to defend neo-nazi terrorism bely his beliefs that politicians and police are attacking what he calls 'white american values'. He probably doesn't have the balls to march himself, but he'll spend hours surfing sites and posts he claims have no links to white supremacists searching for clues into the theory he read somewhere that a neo-nazi terrorist has been set up by the police and politicians.
Bud Plug has watched the video of a neo-nazi plowing through a crowd of people protesting against neo-nazis over and over again searching for evidence that its all some kind of conspiracy by the police and politicians.
These are the sorts of people who will elect and back fascism.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/ordinary-white-supremacists/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/ordinary-white-supremacists/index.html
Of the four groups they mention there, I'd have to think Bud Plug belongs in the first. He's probably not an out and out nazi, but his continual attempt to defend neo-nazi terrorism bely his beliefs that politicians and police are attacking what he calls 'white american values'. He probably doesn't have the balls to march himself, but he'll spend hours surfing sites and posts he claims have no links to white supremacists searching for clues into the theory he read somewhere that a neo-nazi terrorist has been set up by the police and politicians.
Bud Plug has watched the video of a neo-nazi plowing through a crowd of people protesting against neo-nazis over and over again searching for evidence that its all some kind of conspiracy by the police and politicians.
These are the sorts of people who will elect and back fascism.
Ding ding ding. BANG ON.
In all fairness though I and many others would have drawn the same correct conclusions because that is their repeated daily mantra, day-after-day, ad nauseam.
(BTW lucky you are missing out on THE troll's myriad of prepubescent-looking girls, one of which is dancing around wearing a striped dunce cap while the other he selected to display today towards another member is simulating a hand job. Deplorable borderline pedo type shit. I shake my head at mods for tolerating it.)
YEP,... pretty much bang on,... but what else did anybody from cowards,... who are also completely lacking in any character,... which is probably how they are outside of terb as well.
Who would hard to hide those character flaws.
In fairness to Bud Plug I'll just call him a white supremacist, not neo-nazi.
Hopefully that makes him happy.
A couple of good articles note that Richard Spencer, who is part of the group that actually uses nazi symbols, also coined the term 'alt-right' to describe his particular, American version.
https://www.adl.org/education/resou...-right-a-primer-about-the-new-white-supremacy
And another article by someone who grew up in Charlottesville notes that its better to label them as white supremacists.
https://www.vox.com/first-person/20...esville-white-supremacy-neo-nazis-confederacy
So Bud Plug, who defends what he feels are threatened American (white) values, lets just say you're a white supremacist.
Better?
And sorry you feel so threatened by people of colour.
OK. Now this is getting fun. I see Frank/Fuji have had another round. That was as predictable as the sun rising. Still haven't read their posts, so the game is still on.
Now I invite all of you to reread my post which gave rise to theirs and decide whether Frank/Fuji have incorrectly comprehended which views are MY VIEWS as opposed to views I describe might MIGHT BE HELD BY OTHERS, and then WHETHER I ADVOCATED THAT ANY SPECIFIC VIEW WAS CORRECT or, rather, whether I stated that HOLDING ANY OF THESE POTENTIAL VIEWS WAS PREMATURE AT THIS POINT.
My guess is that their nonsensical screeds emanate directly from this deficit of comprehension (or perhaps just intentional intellectual dishonesty).
Am I two for two? If I'm right again, I think I'll go out on the road as the new Kreskin!
Now I invite all of you to reread my post which gave rise to theirs and decide whether Frank/Fuji have incorrectly comprehended which views are MY VIEWS as opposed to views I describe might MIGHT BE HELD BY OTHERS, and then WHETHER I ADVOCATED THAT ANY SPECIFIC VIEW WAS CORRECT or, rather, whether I stated that HOLDING ANY OF THESE POTENTIAL VIEWS WAS PREMATURE AT THIS POINT.
My guess is that their nonsensical screeds emanate directly from this deficit of comprehension (or perhaps just intentional intellectual dishonesty).
Am I two for two? If I'm right again, I think I'll go out on the road as the new Kreskin!
I have seen NO indication that he is a "white supremacist", none whatsoever. Nor have I seen a shred of evidence that he feels "threatened by people of colour". And I'm reading the same stuff you are reading.
I truly think you, like fuji and a couple others spend WAY too much time logged on/posting here. After awhile it must become sort of delusional and surreal, so people like you and your ilk come up with these wild, over-the-top accusations, thinking that if you keep repeating it over and over you will make it become reality.
I didn't find your posts that alarming or offensive up until recently, but man you sink into the gutter really fast.
You're wrong. You did adopt the position I attributed to you. You did write what American values are white values. That is a white supremacist viewpoint.
You aren't replying because you can't, deflecting and denying is all you are capable of since you are guilty.
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