CERB = 2,000 a month

[jelly baby]

Bro, Flour is the cheapest calorie per dollar.
According to this chart 4,464kcal/dollar.

https://efficiencyiseverything.com/calorie-per-dollar-list/

But my budget is EXACTLY 8 dollars a day.

If I sit and eat a bag of flour my budget is 15 per month.

The next month I would have to eat 240*2=480-15= 465.

I also have to mix in fruit and vegetables because my belly is reasonable, re: not fat unhealthy belly but not skinny.

NOTE: This calculation assumes 30 days per month, every three months I have to spend an extra 10 dollars. 10*4 =40/8=5 days+[30*12]= 365 ( not counting a leap year ).

 

[Frankfooter]

Bro, Flour is the cheapest calorie per dollar.
According to this chart 4,464kcal/dollar.

https://efficiencyiseverything.com/calorie-per-dollar-list/

Maybe, but a bag of rice and a bag of beans would keep you under budget and give you everything you need to live on.
If you want to live that cheap.

 

[lomotil]

The discussion boils down to whether or not there should be a Universal Basic Income. Nobody can live on Ontario Works; many people go on Ontario Works while they wait to be approved for ODSP..

Many people can and do live on Ontario Works for years, even generations, are not mentally or physically disabled and therefor, do not qualify for ODSP. The chronic OW recipients are not emaciated but often overweight to varying degrees and do not wish to "work" because the simply do not have to. I am not talking about people who work under the table and collect social assistance although this is very prevalent. Many OW recipients are even too lazy to get up in the morning to hit the food banks before they get cleaned out. The government can help people but cannot motivate them with the continued hand outs. The pandemic relief is necessary because many able bodies hardworking people had their places of employment shutdown by the government, but there is the looming danger that CERB abuses may lead to an extended hyper welfare state.

 

[Jenesis]

Many people can and do live on Ontario Works for years, even generations, are not mentally or physically disabled and therefor, do not qualify for ODSP. The chronic OW recipients are not emaciated but often overweight to varying degrees and do not wish to "work" because the simply do not have to. I am not talking about people who work under the table and collect social assistance although this is very prevalent. Many OW recipients are even too lazy to get up in the morning to hit the food banks before they get cleaned out. The government can help people but cannot motivate them with the continued hand outs. The pandemic relief is necessary because many able bodies hardworking people had their places of employment shutdown by the government, but there is the looming danger that CERB abuses may lead to an extended hyper welfare state.

I know a couple on Ontario works. This whole COVID has fucked them up royally.

They applied CERB and of course got it in the beginning because anyone who applied got it. The excuse "We were told to get it"

They didn't pay their rent because Doug Ford "told them not to" as they put it. Not understanding that he said IF you can't, don't but try to pay something.

Then I know people on ODSP, didn't apply for CERB, got no extra money at all from the government and said "nothing finically changed for me so why should I suck extra money out of the government?"

So I see people who use it right and people who don't. I just wish the government would get on those who don't.

 

[scouser1]

So true, I'm really sick of the John Hamm Skip the Dishes commercials. If you use the service, you're paying double overhead.

I have looked at the food delivery services, it was cheap while I was living overseas but here add cost, delivery, service, taxes and tip, you're absolutely spot on saying we're paying double. I have deleted the apps from my phone and never seen those ads but I can imagine.

 

[fall]

Do you honestly believe that there is enough money to give everyone in Canada $18,000/year?

Of course it will mean higher taxes. But first of all, anyone making at least $50K will pay $6,000 as taxes on this $18000 (at 30% marginal tax rate) even at the current tax rates. Furthermore, it will allow to eliminate most of the social assistance programs, hence,. allow the government to save a lot in transaction costs that it spends now on distributing and managing social assistance. No more welfare/subsidised housing. No GIS for seniors. Hopefully, it will also lead to change in where people will live, hence, less traffic. So, not much in tax increase will be needed.

 

[TeeJay]

This doesn’t make sense if you believe that covid is a hoax then why shouldn’t the ppl (the government) who put on the hoax not pay us? Weather it’s CERB or whatever other relief program?

omg... do you seriously have no concept of how taxes work???

*They* are not paying anyone... we (as in non-welfare recipients) are paying the CERB

We will be in a huge deficit for the next decade as Trudeau has mishandled this entire mess

 

[TeeJay]

Sixty dollars for a week of groceries?? What the hell are you eating? Is it flour, potatoes, and ground beef?? Now that I think about it, that would only cost $30 for the week.

$60 a week is plenty assuming you are not some fat glutinous blob

I don't know what you try to buy but meat is (usually) the most expensive thing in groceries and for that kind of budget you could eat steak every night

 

[VIPhunter]

$60 a week is plenty assuming you are not some fat glutinous blob

I don't know what you try to buy but meat is (usually) the most expensive thing in groceries and for that kind of budget you could eat steak every night

TeeJay: I tend to agree with you much, but decent cuts of beef have been through the roof lately. Two decent NY strips were about $20, climbed to about $28 and last week I saw them at $43.

 

[Jenesis]

TeeJay: I tend to agree with you much, but decent cuts of beef have been through the roof lately. Two decent NY strips were about $20, climbed to about $28 and last week I saw them at $43.

I know, it sucks. My doctor just said I need more iron in my diet too. ARG!

 

[Ginomore]

Of course it will mean higher taxes. But first of all, anyone making at least $50K will pay $6,000 as taxes on this $18000 (at 30% marginal tax rate) even at the current tax rates. Furthermore, it will allow to eliminate most of the social assistance programs, hence,. allow the government to save a lot in transaction costs that it spends now on distributing and managing social assistance. No more welfare/subsidised housing. No GIS for seniors. Hopefully, it will also lead to change in where people will live, hence, less traffic. So, not much in tax increase will be needed.

Paying taxes on cerb payments does not generate tax revenue-it just reduces the amount you receive.
It will certainly not allow for the elimination of any social assistance programs.

 

[nervousintheservice]

Why would you give a basic income to a person who makes $500 000 a year?
Where would all this money came from?

If there is a UBI, then the government can eliminate all other programs like welfare, EI, child bonus, and really any program that gives out money. Every person gets their UBI payment, and you are free to do whatever you want for any additional money, which will be taxed just as it is now. Just eliminating programs like EI and welfare would save billions, not to mention the savings of not needing thousands of employees to administer said programs.

 

[Ginomore]

If there is a UBI, then the government can eliminate all other programs like welfare, EI, child bonus, and really any program that gives out money. Every person gets their UBI payment, and you are free to do whatever you want for any additional money, which will be taxed just as it is now. Just eliminating programs like EI and welfare would save billions, not to mention the savings of not needing thousands of employees to administer said programs.

Eliminating all other programs will not be enough to give every Canadian basic income.
Just look at what cerb did to our debt in just 4 months.Universal basic income is a socialist fantasy.

 

[Respect1]

Eliminating all other programs will not be enough to give every Canadian basic income.
Just look at what cerb did to our debt in just 4 months.Universal basic income is a socialist fantasy.

It can be done .
The taxation system works on a sliding curve
You just move the curve to a point you re cope the money
Almost like communism ?

 

[Leimonis]

Eliminating all other programs will not be enough to give every Canadian basic income.
Just look at what cerb did to our debt in just 4 months.Universal basic income is a socialist fantasy.

do you know how much the administration and enforcement of welfare etc costs? I don't, but it has got to be a TON of money.

A more real problem as I see it is going to be that all the cash workers will be sucking from two tits. Waiters and SPs and others will all be 24K a year richer.

 

[lomotil]

do you know how much the administration and enforcement of welfare etc costs? I don't, but it has got to be a TON of money.

A more real problem as I see it is going to be that all the cash workers will be sucking from two tits. Waiters and SPs and others will all be 24K a year richer.

The risk of cut off and leaving to hang in the wind a few million Canadians who are willing to work but cannot due the government shutting down their livelihood is too great. The cheats and opportunist will allows be pigs feeding at the trough.

 

[TeeJay]

TeeJay: I tend to agree with you much, but decent cuts of beef have been through the roof lately. Two decent NY strips were about $20, climbed to about $28 and last week I saw them at $43.

Monthly average retail prices for food and other selected products

Monthly average retail prices for food, household supplies, personal care items, cigarettes and gasoline. Prices are presented for the current month and previous four months. Prices are in Canadian current dollars.

www150.statcan.gc.ca

Average price per steak is up by a couple of dollars but deals are still around

But I would counter a middle class (or lower) really should not be eating steak every meal and a 6 oz portion is plenty assuming the person is eating healthy