CERB = 2,000 a month
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The discussion boils down to whether or not there should be a Universal Basic Income. Nobody can live on Ontario Works; many people go on Ontario Works while they wait to be approved for ODSP.
The previous Ontario Liberal government had a pilot project for Basic Income; the Conservatives promptly cancelled it as soon as they took office, because they felt it was too expensive and served as a disincentive for people to work.
In Manitoba, employers are complaining they can't fill positions because people would rather stay home and collect CERB; to the point that the Government of Manitoba is willing to give people a one-time stipend equal to the CERB if people return to work; this way, they don't feel like they are losing money.
The previous Ontario Liberal government had a pilot project for Basic Income; the Conservatives promptly cancelled it as soon as they took office, because they felt it was too expensive and served as a disincentive for people to work.
In Manitoba, employers are complaining they can't fill positions because people would rather stay home and collect CERB; to the point that the Government of Manitoba is willing to give people a one-time stipend equal to the CERB if people return to work; this way, they don't feel like they are losing money.
The discussion really boils down to ... why pay 60 dollars for ONE MEAL in a restaurant, when you can buy 60 dollars of food in the grocery store and get a weeks worth of food.
The entire economy is non-sensical buying, no wonder these jobs are gone. Maybe some sanity when you make your purchases?
This just in: CERB = Game Over
The entire economy is non-sensical buying, no wonder these jobs are gone. Maybe some sanity when you make your purchases?
This just in: CERB = Game Over
It may be true there might be anti-cerb pro lockdown people but the two do not go hand in hand. Yes, I am pro lock down (more so now as we see the Sweden failure - anti lockdowns do not end up helping the economy anyway) and thus pro cerb.
Long term, we need a better solution as 2 to 5 years of semi pandemic is a long time. At best, we have at least one more year of pathogen issues.
I don't know what the best solution or even a ok solution is - the path is unknown. I am err on the side of caution as much as possible.
The idea of basic universal income is a good one if implemented correctly.
1) It must be truly universal. I.e., you get it regardless if you are unemployed or making $500,000 a year. This way it has less effect on the desire to work and significantly reduces the administrative costs
2) It should be enough to live on without additional work somewhere where it does not take a space of a person who actually wants to work,. i.e,. in a small towns far away from big cities where rent is cheap. It should not be enough to live in Toronto or even a smaller cities. So, $2000 seems to be excessive. $1500 ($700 rent + $800 for the rest) seems like more than enough to cover shelter (far away from a large city), food, and internet access.
1) It must be truly universal. I.e., you get it regardless if you are unemployed or making $500,000 a year. This way it has less effect on the desire to work and significantly reduces the administrative costs
2) It should be enough to live on without additional work somewhere where it does not take a space of a person who actually wants to work,. i.e,. in a small towns far away from big cities where rent is cheap. It should not be enough to live in Toronto or even a smaller cities. So, $2000 seems to be excessive. $1500 ($700 rent + $800 for the rest) seems like more than enough to cover shelter (far away from a large city), food, and internet access.
So true, I'm really sick of the John Hamm Skip the Dishes commercials. If you use the service, you're paying double overhead.
Margaret Thatcher once said that "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
Over a 3 billion dollar deficit. Over a trillion in debt! Are we close to running out?
What happens when we can’t do it anymore?
Will China bail us out ? With conditions of course. Will the IMF impose their conditions on us as well?
As usual the haves will leave and take their money with them. The have nots will go on the “Madura diet”
Over a 3 billion dollar deficit. Over a trillion in debt! Are we close to running out?
What happens when we can’t do it anymore?
Will China bail us out ? With conditions of course. Will the IMF impose their conditions on us as well?
As usual the haves will leave and take their money with them. The have nots will go on the “Madura diet”
Why would you give a basic income to a person who makes $500 000 a year?
Where would all this money came from?
Because it is UNIVERSAL income. Naturally, this money comes from taxes, and the person who makes $500,000 a year pays LOTS of taxes. This universal income is also taxable, so, he will have to pay half of it back as taxes anyway. The reason to pay universal income to anyone regardless of their income is not to distort the people's desire to work, i.e., not to have a choice to work for $40,000 a year or to stay home for $18,000. With $1,500/month universal income, $18,000/year is guaranteed, and anything you earn on top of it is yours (after the income tax, of course). It reduces the amount of fraud (there is no need to under-report your actual income) and lots of $$$ can be saved on administrative costs that are now paid to process and verify all the claims.
There's much muttering that this idea is a Universal benefit....yet if we don't give it to wage earners of over 60k. How, is that 'universal'?
If UBI eliminates the requirements for gobs and gobs of people to facilitate all the other wealth transfer scams, AND it cost less than those scams...I'm all for it.
But don't bullshit us if you're not going to give it to everybody. If the case is just low income earners, how is that different from welfare?
I am both anti welfare (I mean CERB) and think the lockdown is a joke and Covid is a hoax
Do you honestly believe that there is enough money to give everyone in Canada $18,000/year?
This doesn’t make sense if you believe that covid is a hoax then why shouldn’t the ppl (the government) who put on the hoax not pay us? Weather it’s CERB or whatever other relief program?
Sixty dollars for a week of groceries?? What the hell are you eating? Is it flour, potatoes, and ground beef?? Now that I think about it, that would only cost $30 for the week.
My average is 8 dollars a day. Sometimes I have to eat cheap, like pasta & ketchup or a bag of chips.
Sometimes I count the calories in my groceries versus the price, so I can average it to 8 dollars.
Like if something has 2,000 calories and costs 4 dollars ( cookies & chips ), then I can buy something that has 1,400 calories ( hamburgers ) and costs 12 dollars.
I eat about1,700 calories per day. So it averages to 8.
Sometimes I count the calories in my groceries versus the price, so I can average it to 8 dollars.
Like if something has 2,000 calories and costs 4 dollars ( cookies & chips ), then I can buy something that has 1,400 calories ( hamburgers ) and costs 12 dollars.
I eat about1,700 calories per day. So it averages to 8.
Bro, Flour is the cheapest calorie per dollar.
According to this chart 4,464kcal/dollar.
https://efficiencyiseverything.com/calorie-per-dollar-list/
I'm curious how effective his advertising really is.
I watched a few on YouTube and find it cringey.
