Canadians should worry more about democracy here than in the United States

[JohnLarue]

That Conrad Black is a convicted criminal running a media outlet…. I guess a little.

Attack the source when the facts of the matter are painfully true?
Your MO

Does it bother you that Justin Trudeau ,a three time ethics violator is running the media outlet CBC and went out of his way to throw money at the mainstream media ?
Does it bother you that Gerry Diaz has significant influence in the mainstream media via his unions?
Does it bother you that Gerry Diaz negotiated the media bribe with Justin Trudeau (probably Gerald Butts) ?

Does it bother you that Justin Trudeau perverted the Justice System for his friends at SNC?
Does it bother you that Justin Trudeau perverted the procurement process and charitable giving sector for his friends , the Sham Wow brothers Keilburger?

Does it bother you at all, .............. not even a little?

 

[poker]

Attack the source when the facts of the matter are painfully true?
Your MO

Hmmm. I do check the sources. That is true. By doing so I learned that Mandrill was correct when we argued about Native issues. And I am glad I took the time to research it myself.

And you taught me about Beers Law…

And your source Roger…. I did not attack him. He is the real deal. You misrepresented him a little… and other scientists do not agree with him on everything, and I am researching them and their work too. Mann is quite interesting.

Does it bother you that Justin Trudeau ,a three time ethics violator is running the media outlet CBC and went out of his way to throw money at the mainstream media ?
Does it bother you that Gerry Diaz has significant influence in the mainstream media via his unions?
Does it bother you that Gerry Diaz negotiated the media bribe with Justin Trudeau (probably Gerald Butts) ?

JT and ethics violations. You know, a random on FB asked me the same thing. Explained to me that JT was the only PM that this had ever happened too. I had to explain to her that he was the only PM it could have happened too, as the Harper gov’t were the ones that created that Ethics committee and rules. It’s not that no other PM has ever made an ethos violation…. We now have an independent committee to review and rule on it. Soooo….

Ahhh, yes. Your unhealthy obsession with Gerald Butts. An advisor. That’s all. An Advisor…. But not to you. “Gerald Butts is running the country!”

Does it bother you that Justin Trudeau perverted the Justice System for his friends at SNC?
Does it bother you that Justin Trudeau perverted the procurement process for his friends , the Sham Wow brothers Keilburger?

SNC…. Was the process actually perverted? Or did he lean into JWR?
WE did not bother me much really.

As I have told you before, I am not really a Justin Trudeau fan. I voted O’Tools last election, and Indy (local boxing Olympian Mike Strange) in the election before that. I am what they call a swing voter. A fool me once kinda guy. Carbon Tax…. Not on me.

John…. You are so headstrong. “This side is right about everything…. And that side is wrong about everything!” Ridiculous. That’s why you can’t, and aren’t taken serious. You find data to fit your political conclusions.

 

[JohnLarue]

And you taught me about Beers Law…

Good

then you should recognize the science does not support the alarmist claims
absorption of Infrared radiation by Co2 is saturated @ 15 micrometers wavelength and likely has been for millions of years

And your source Roger…. I did not attack him. He is the real deal. You misrepresented him a little… and other scientists do not agree with him on everything, and I am researching them and their work too. Mann is quite interesting.

I did not misrepresent Roger Piekke, Jr. , his testimony to the US senate or the despicable attacks he received from nutjob climate alarmist
You can find his testimony on You-Tube
He was brutally clear that there is no evidence to support your propaganda claims about extreme weather, (Hurricanes, Tornados , wild fires or floods) increasing in frequency or intensity due to greenhouse gas emissions

JT and ethics violations. You know, a random on FB asked me the same thing. Explained to me that JT was the only PM that this had ever happened too. I had to explain to her that he was the only PM it could have happened too, as the Harper gov’t were the ones that created that Ethics committee and rules. It’s not that no other PM has ever made an ethos violation…. We now have an independent committee to review and rule on it. Soooo….

Sooooo...... JT is so bloody stupid he did not understand the rules and responsibilities of his office

Ahhh, yes. Your unhealthy obsession with Gerald Butts. An advisor. That’s all. An Advisor…. But not to you. “Gerald Butts is running the country!”

What is unhealthy is an unelected "Advisor" determining government policy
You do not get it , Justin is too stupid to formulate policy

It was Gerald Butts who got in JWR face about SNC
An unelected "advisor" telling the elected Minister of Justice who gets prosecuted and who does not
That is why she freaked, it was perversion of our justice system

No way in hell a conservative PM would have survived that

SNC…. Was the process actually perverted? Or did he lean into JWR?

SNC broke the law and was not prosecuted
Had it been an oil company welll... there would be jail time

WE did not bother me much really.

If you truly understood the importance of ethics it would

As I have told you before, I am not really a Justin Trudeau fan. I voted O’Tools last election, and Indy (local boxing Olympian Mike Strange) in the election before that. I am what they call a swing voter. A fool me once kinda guy. Carbon Tax…. Not on me.

I do not believe you
"Not really a Justin Trudeau fan" yet you make excuses for his ethics violations & the SNC scandal and you have no issue with the We scandal or his shutting down the WE investigation ?
No, that does not add up

John…. You are so headstrong. “This side is right about everything…. And that side is wrong about everything!” Ridiculous. That’s why you can’t, and aren’t taken serious. You find data to fit your political conclusions.

There are no sides to scientific fact
If the experimental data does not support your theory, your theory is wrong, independent of one's political views

The satellite data shows the atmosphere has next to no net warming despite a 20% increase in co2
If the experimental data does not support your theory,............... your theory is wrong


You knew nothing of the science yet you still had an opinion.
And having been proven wrong, you still maintain that incorrect opinion
So you are incapable of independent thought.
two months from now you will trying to shame someone about the extreme weather disasters caused by greenhouse gasses , despite the fact you now know better


And since the ethical conduct of our moron Prime Minister

" did not bother me much really."

Ethics is not important to you

Do not lecture me about being taken seriously

Your just pissed because I keep showing how wrong you are

 

[poker]

Good

then you should recognize the science does not support the alarmist claims
absorption of Infrared radiation by Co2 is saturated @ 15 micrometers wavelength and likely has been for millions of years

I did not misrepresent Roger Piekke, Jr. , his testimony to the US senate or the despicable attacks he received from nutjob climate alarmist
You can find his testimony on You-Tube
He was brutally clear that there is no evidence to support your propaganda claims about extreme weather, (Hurricanes, Tornados , wild fires or floods) increasing in frequency or intensity due to greenhouse gas emissions





Sooooo...... JT is so bloody stupid he did not understand the rules and responsibilities of his office



What is unhealthy is an unelected "Advisor" determining government policy
You do not get it , Justin is too stupid to formulate policy

It was Gerald Butts who got in JWR face about SNC
An unelected "advisor" telling the elected Minister of Justice who gets prosecuted and who does not
That is why she freaked, it was perversion of our justice system

No way in hell a conservative PM would have survived that




SNC broke the law and was not prosecuted
Had it been an oil company welll... there would be jail time


If you truly understood the importance of ethics it would



I do not believe you
"Not really a Justin Trudeau fan" yet you make excuses for his ethics violations & the SNC scandal and you have no issue with the We scandal or his shutting down the WE investigation ?
No, that does not add up



There are no sides to scientific fact
If the experimental data does not support your theory, your theory is wrong, independent of one's political views

The satellite data shows the atmosphere has next to no net warming despite a 20% increase in co2
If the experimental data does not support your theory,............... your theory is wrong


You knew nothing of the science yet you still had an opinion.
And having been proven wrong, you still maintain that incorrect opinion
So you are incapable of independent thought.
two months from now you will trying to shame someone about the extreme weather disasters caused by greenhouse gasses , despite the fact you now know better


And since the ethical conduct of our moron Prime Minister
Ethics is not important to you

Do not lecture me about being taken seriously

Your just pissed because I keep showing how wrong you are

Does Roger Pielke believe the that climate change is man made? Yes or No?

 

[JohnLarue]

Does Roger Pielke believe the that climate change is man made? Yes or No?

Why are you asking?
In a previous post you claimed he does

and that is moot as the absorption is saturated , water vapor is the dominate GHG and the satellite data shows the atmosphere has next to no net warming despite a 20% increase in co2
If the experimental data does not support your theory,............... your theory is wrong
That is how science works, not by an opinion poll

Just like there is no experimental data supporting your claim about man made climate disasters
If the experimental data does not support your theory,............... your theory is wrong
That is how science works

The planet is 2/3 covered in water with two big ice chunks at the top and bottom , water is also present in our atmosphere in far greater concentration than Co2
What is the best natural coolant in the universe ?
Water

A change of 0.01% in atmospheric concentration to heat up the planet?
Nope

 

[poker]

Why are you asking?
In a previous post you claimed he does

and that is moot as the absorption is saturated , water vapor is the dominate GHG and the satellite data shows the atmosphere has next to no net warming despite a 20% increase in co2
If the experimental data does not support your theory,............... your theory is wrong
That is how science works, not by an opinion poll

Just like there is no experimental data supporting your claim about man made climate disasters
If the experimental data does not support your theory,............... your theory is wrong
That is how science works

The planet is 2/3 covered in water with two big ice chunks at the top and bottom , water is also present in our atmosphere in far greater concentration than Co2
What is the best natural coolant in the universe ?
Water

A change of 0.01% in atmospheric concentration to heat up the planet?
Nope

I claimed nothing. I posted where Roger told us that is what's happening. As he is one of the world's leading scientists, I conquer with his expert opinion. Climate change is man made.

 

[y2kmark]

The irony of it is staggering. Somebody conservative telling us how bad it is that we have become a region of USA.

Better Idea - NY and New England, WA, OR and CA becoming regions of CA!...

 

[jsanchez]

Diane Francis
Jan 07, 2022
Canadians should stop fretting about what may happen to America’s democracy and worry more about what’s going on here in our own backyard....

I'll agree with some of this but for a different reason, never mind taxation or mismanagement, Canada's electoral and parliamentary system is broken,
the country is governed from the PMO regardless of who's in office, based on FPTP "majorities".
Trudeau is no different than Harper or Chretien, they all have had nothing but disdain for parliament and the media,
mp's are whipped trained seals and yes men and women, and parliament itself can be prorogued at the whim of the PM.

And forget about Alabama North, it has almost achieved independence while staying subsidized and having both federal government/opposition
compete in licking the butt of whoever happens to rule that province.

 

[Frankfooter]

Does Roger Pielke believe the that climate change is man made? Yes or No?

larue will never answer this question, he'll just start copying and pasting disinformation again.
Then back to his Cliff Clavin theories about IR radiation.

 

[danmand]

I'll agree with some of this but for a different reason, never mind taxation or mismanagement, Canada's electoral and parliamentary system is broken,
the country is governed from the PMO regardless of who's in office, based on FPTP "majorities".
Trudeau is no different than Harper or Chretien, they all have had nothing but disdain for parliament and the media,
mp's are whipped trained seals and yes men and women, and parliament itself can be prorogued at the whim of the PM.

And forget about Alabama North, it has almost achieved independence while staying subsidized and having both federal government/opposition
compete in licking the butt of whoever happens to rule that province.

That is the governing system you get with FPTP elections. It has been abundantly clear for ages, and many Canadian politicians agree, that a proportional representation election system is the key to better democracy. It is just too hard for the current FPTP majority to give up the majority.

 

[JohnLarue]

I claimed nothing.

Really?
This certainly sounds like a claim
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Post #67

Guess the families that get their homes and lives destroyed with climate change and worsening weather disasters mean nothing to you…

Or maybe that was more of a virtue signaling attempt to shame me with false and misleading propaganda

I posted where Roger told us that is what's happening. As he is one of the world's leading scientists, I conquer with his expert opinion. Climate change is man made.

and yet Roger Pielke is quite clear there is no evidence of increased frequency or intensity for climate disasters (that is his area of expertise)
Just like the evidence from the satellite data indicates no net warming despite a 20% increase in Co2 concentration

You seem to think opinion is relevant while scientific evidence (or lack of scientific evidence) is irrelevant when applied to a scientific issue
That is not how science works

Once again
If the experimental data does not support your theory,............... your theory is wrong

 

[maurice93]

She’s right about the Atlantic provinces and Quebec getting more representation than their population merits but that’s been the case for a long time and it’s an issue nobody wants to touch.

I’m no supporter of Quebec politics but point about Quebec representation is 100 % incorrect. Things may have moved slightly in either direction but in 2015 Quebec had more population per riding than anywhere in the west… substantially more in the case of Saskatchewan and Manitoba.

in fact Quebec was highest in Canada at the time they came up with the latest riding map. . I suspect with population increase disparities they may now be slightly behind Ontario and Alberta in last election.

Population of Canadian federal ridings - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[poker]

Really?
This certainly sounds like a claim
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Post #67

Or maybe that was more of a virtue signaling attempt to shame me with false and misleading propaganda



and yet Roger Pielke is quite clear there is no evidence of increased frequency or intensity for climate disasters (that is his area of expertise)
Just like the evidence from the satellite data indicates no net warming despite a 20% increase in Co2 concentration

You seem to think opinion is relevant while scientific evidence (or lack of scientific evidence) is irrelevant when applied to a scientific issue
That is not how science works

Once again
If the experimental data does not support your theory,............... your theory is wrong

What the fuck are you talking about?

John, all of my sources are qualified people with consistent opinions. Even your sources support my opinions.

• Pielke agrees with me. Climate change is man made. His words. His website. He simply believes we are addressing is adequately. Others scientists disagree. I am not their peer.

• Big oil has stated publicly, and in court, that climate change is man made.
(I find it odd that you sir, have stated “that’s probably because” and lecture me on scientific theories standing up to tests.)

• You brought a scientific study to the table to prove the Antarctic was gaining ice…. And tried to leave it there… and in one spot that was true, but the same author, same report, pointed out clearly it was losing ice a rapid rate in other places, and at the current rate, the Ice Shelf would break away…. And you wrote that part off.

• And if I had only listened to you, Beers Law would have convinced me you are correct. I mean, you went on and on and on the climate models did not account for it. Then I found, almost all the climate scientists know about it. They explained clearly how different atmospheric pressures affect it. Once again, you misapplied the science.

Cherry picking data…. Really?

 

[JohnLarue]

What the fuck are you talking about?

You claimed weather disasters are getting worse due to climate change.
Do you deny making this claim?

Guess the families that get their homes and lives destroyed with climate change and worsening weather disasters mean nothing to you…

Roger Pielke says there is no evidence to support this

John, all of my sources are qualified people with consistent opinions. Even your sources support my opinions.

• Pielke agrees with me. Climate change is man made. His words. His website. He simply believes we are addressing is adequately. Others scientists disagree. I am not their peer.

An opinion is not scientific evidence

• Big oil has stated publicly, and in court, that climate change is man made.
(I find it odd that you sir, have stated “that’s probably because” and lecture me on scientific theories standing up to tests.)

How many times do you need to be told a court does not determine a scientific question ????
Next to no net warming in the atmosphere despite a 20% increase in Co2 is evidence and it is definitive

• You brought a scientific study to the table to prove the Antarctic was gaining ice…. And tried to leave it there… and in one spot that was true, but the same author, same report, pointed out clearly it was losing ice a rapid rate in other places, and at the current rate, the Ice Shelf would break away…. And you wrote that part off.

An Ice shelf is floating by definition
Applying Archimedes principal to a floating ice cube in a glass of water , the level of water does not change once it melts

Ice bergs are nothing new, they have been calving for millions of years and will continue to do so for millions of years into the future
70% of the world 's fresh water is in the Antarctic, 90% of the frozen water
The Antarctic temperatures are below freezing 99% of the time
The ice is not going anywhere

Nice try

• And if I had only listened to you, Beers Law would have convinced me you are correct. I mean, you went on and on and on the climate models did not account for it. Then I found, almost all the climate scientists know about it. They explained clearly how different atmospheric pressures affect it. Once again, you misapplied the science.

Bullshit

The pressure gradient with elevation results in lower temperatures
absorption is dependent on the temperature to the 4th power, thus absorption energy decreases dramatically with increased elevation
So your thin slice argument falls apart once you integrate all the possible absorption transitions over the height of the atmosphere..... as I have told you multiple times

Re climate models
The absorbance by Co2 @ the 15 micrometer wavelength is saturated and if the climate models accounted for it correctly there would be diminishing impacts as Co2 increases , instead the models have them steady or accelerating
So yeah the climate models did not account for it.
What they also do not account for is water vapor as the dominate greenhouse gas (90% of the relevant IR absorbance )
They relegate water vapor to a secondary feedback
Now that is cherry picking

Back to evidence
The climate models have been consistently wrong and the climate modelers admit they do not understand why
the satellite data indicates no net warming despite a 20% increase in Co2 concentration <<<< This is experimental evidence

Once again
If the experimental data does not support your theory,............... your theory is wrong

Cherry picking data…. Really?

Oh boy
You want to have a court testimony and an opinion poll be the definitive say in a scientific question and you accuse me of cherry picking ?

Please take some science courses

 

[poker]

You claimed weather disasters are getting worse due to climate change.
Do you deny making this claim?

Roger Pielke says there is no evidence to support this



An opinion is not scientific evidence



How many times do you need to be told a court does not determine a scientific question ????
Next to no net warming in the atmosphere despite a 20% increase in Co2 is evidence and it is definitive



An Ice shelf is floating by definition
Applying Archimedes principal to a floating ice cube in a glass of water , the level of water does not change once it melts

Nice try



Bullshit

The pressure gradient with elevation result in lower temperatures and absorption is dependent on the temperature to the 4th power, with absorption energy decreasing dramatically with increased elevation
So your thin slice argument falls apart once you integrate all the possible transitions over the height of the atmosphere

Re climate models
The absorbance by Co2 @ the 15 micrometer wavelength is saturated and if the climate models accounted for it correctly there would be diminishing impacts as Co2 increases , instead the models have them accelerating
So yeah the climate models did not account for it.
What they also do not account for is water vapor as the dominate greenhouse gas (90% of the relevant IR absorbance )
They relegate water vapor to a secondary feedback
Now that is cherry picking

Back to evidence
The climate models have been consistently wrong and the climate modelers admit they do not understand why
the satellite data indicates no net warming despite a 20% increase in Co2 concentration




Oh boy
You want to have a court testimony and an opinion poll be the definitive say in a scientific question and you accuse me of cherry picking ?

How many times do you need to be told the court didn’t decide whether climate change was real. The prosecution provided evidence. The defence agreed the evidence was accurate.

oh wait…. You know all this.

And I agree, Pielke did testify to what you are saying. Other scientists testified differently. It was not not activists that had him removed. It was the scientific community. I am not passing judgement on that one way or the other… again, I am not his peer.

 

[JohnLarue]

How many times do you need to be told the court didn’t decide whether climate change was real. The prosecution provided evidence. The defence agreed the evidence was accurate.

oh wait…. You know all this.

And I know it is not relavant

the satellite data indicates no net warming despite a 20% increase in Co2 concentration <<<< This is experimental evidence

Once again
If the experimental data does not support your theory,............... your theory is wrong

And I agree, Pielke did testify to what you are saying. Other scientists testified differently. It was not not activists that had him removed. It was the scientific community. I am not passing judgement on that one way or the other… again, I am not his peer.

Told you

It was not not activists that had him removed. It was the scientific community.

And there in lies the big issue

Real scientists do not purge a peer for having a different view
They understand scientific discovery is dependent upon skepticism and always questioning the status quo

It was activists masquerading as scientists

ie Michael Mann- a nasty vindictive fraud activist pretending to be a scientist
He caused Mann made climate change that existed only in his computer

 

[amazing age]

We’ll we have a skyrocketing deficit, a natural resources sector that is being destroyed, an over bloated civil service and a province that can do what ever it wants while the federal government looks the other way.

Yes, these are all serious issues. But I think Canada's most pressing problem in the end will turn out to be a demographic collapse. Our birth rate is below replacement level, and just at a time when the world's population is poised to fall. The U.S. has a younger population which gives it mush more space to manouveur. I think it unlikely that the federation will make another century, although Quebec and Alberta may survive as entities. (Although totally different, they both have a clear sense of their own identity; perhaps Newfoundland will survive as well, for the same reason.)

 

[danmand]

Yes, these are all serious issues. But I think Canada's most pressing problem in the end will turn out to be a demographic collapse. Our birth rate is below replacement level, and just at a time when the world's population is poised to fall. The U.S. has a younger population which gives it mush more space to manouveur. I think it unlikely that the federation will make another century, although Quebec and Alberta may survive as entities. (Although totally different, they both have a clear sense of their own identity; perhaps Newfoundland will survive as well, for the same reason.)

Maybe we should pay for passage of Latinos. That would also please the Americans.

When I was a child, Canada payed for passage of Scandinavians to the prairies.

 

[poker]

And I know it is not relavant

the satellite data indicates no net warming despite a 20% increase in Co2 concentration <<<< This is experimental evidence

Once again
If the experimental data does not support your theory,............... your theory is wrong




Told you


And there in lies the big issue

Real scientists do not purge a peer for having a different view
They understand scientific discovery is dependent upon skepticism and always questioning the status quo

It was activists masquerading as scientists

ie Michael Mann- a nasty vindictive fraud activist pretending to be a scientist
He caused Mann made climate change that existed only in his computer

Your views on Mann are subjective, and opinion. You see the irony. I say I am not their peers and cannot judge. You say anyone who disagrees with you is an activist.

Now I have to look up satellite data with regards to climate. Challenge accepted.

Oh look. You are wrong again.

Graphic: Measuring carbon dioxide from space - NASA Science

NASA's new Orbiting Carbon Observatory-2 space satellite will probe the carbon cycle like never before, telling us where the carbon is going and giving us clues as to where we will end up.

climate.nasa.gov

 

[poker]

And I know it is not relavant

the satellite data indicates no net warming despite a 20% increase in Co2 concentration <<<< This is experimental evidence

Once again
If the experimental data does not support your theory,............... your theory is wrong

Should I believe NASA… or a message board troll?

Satellite Data Record Shows Climate Change's Impact on Fires – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Over the past several decades, as the world has increasingly warmed, so has its potential to burn.

climate.nasa.gov