Breaking!!! - CO Supreme Court strikes Trump from ballot.
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The argument is always that whatever is happening is wrong and Trump really should win and be in power.
If it is a legal issue, let the voters decide.
If it is a voter issue, the voters were bad and the vote was illegal.
Etc. Etc.
For instance, the argument now is that the trial is being rushed and so is the decision about immunity.
If the decision about immunity comes down, then it will be "too late" and unfair.
It's all pretty straightforward "heads I win, tails you lose" arguments.
That's what's unknown.
What is "an insurrection" legally in this context and what evidence that someone was involved needs to be shown?
Is this a state by state decision?
Is there a national standard?
That's all very unclear and that is thing it would be interesting if the Supreme Court actually engaged with.
"He was bad at his dictatorship, so we don't have to worry about it now" isn't really a compelling argument, especially when he showed improvement over the 4 years and has spent his intervening time explaining how he would do it better this time.
Romeo the Squirrel?
He would indeed probably get elected by a landslide. But he is a squirrel and rodents of any description cannot hold office under the Constitution.
You are right. He would not be an effective dictator. He said most of that shit to impress his half-witted followers and is too senile and lazy to begin to accomplish that which his well-wishers want.
But he would permanently undermine the notion that electoral losers should accept that loss and not use force to over ride the electorate's choice. And once impaired, that cannot easily be repaired. And so allegations of ballot tampering and rioting or otherwise interfering with the transfer of power will become commonplace. And the next shit-weasel will be smarter and more energetic than Trump and will build on his poor example to determine ways to avoid the decision of the electorate altogether.
And you can piss on your fancy democracy and your nice Constitution and America will join the ranks of shit hole countries like Venezuela and Zimbabwe.
Your examples are two countries with governments that expanded their control over the economy and resources to say nothing of printing money.
Neither is the argument "if it weren't for checks and balances, Trump would be a dictator".
One could say trying to use executive power to forgive student debt is autocratic in nature. Some autocrats appeal to the masses by giving them things without the legal authority.
But they also no longer have real elections, Earp.
Like America if Trump wins again.
This is a very good point. I just don't see a Colorado Court making this decision unilaterally with a 4-3 vote no less being upheld.
There's also the matter of our right to a trial by jury for a federal crime. Obviously, there was no jury decision in Colorado or elsewhere.
That's why you have the USSC, Earp.
That's because it's a civil case brought as a motion for a legal ruling, Mr Legal Expert. Hence no jury trial.
Actually, I didn't say that exactly. I basically said it was an abuse of executive power which is autocratic in nature. People tend to forgive abuses of power if it leads to outcomes they support. That's some of the danger.Biden's an autocrat now???....
I thought he was senile and incompetent?
I don't know about senile, but Biden's too old. Trump is too old too. We've had those discussions.
You're quibbling about process. Insurrection should be proven in a Federal court and decided by a jury. It's unequivocally U.S. due process. Colorado judges can't keep someone off the ballot (which is a form of punishment) for the crime of insurrection when no such crime has been tried and decided.
The dissenting judges in Colorado laid the entire argument out. Per the WSJ: The court’s chief justice, Brian Boatright, cited the lack of a conviction for insurrection in his dissent from the Colorado majority. And in a separate dissent, Justice Carlos Samour wrote that Mr. Trump was denied the “procedural due process” required before disqualification is justified. It's not complicated law.
It doesn't all really matter because I think the Supreme Court will overturn the Colorado court 7-2 or 8-1. Supreme Court Justices have lifetime tenure on the highest court in the country. The "Supremes" can free themselves of the political baggage that goes along with any Trump cases.
