Interestingly, most of the Confederates impacted by the law were pardoned as part of reconciliation.
I'm not sure it is honest or helpful to equate January 6th with the extremely bloody Civil War.
Breaking!!! - CO Supreme Court strikes Trump from ballot.
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I'm not sure it is honest or helpful to equate January 6th with the extremely bloody Civil War.
Because he is a criminal who cannot be trusted while at the office nor when it’s time to leave his office
The problem is his tactics. And the other problem is that he's proven that HE is not willing to accept the outcome. You do realize that that he is threatening to destroy the democracy. The stakes are too high.
Anybody who thinks that he wouldn't destroy the democracy is kidding themselves.
Aside from whether that's true or not, saving the democracy is more important than any other issue. He is a clear threat in that regard. He wants to become dictator.
I actually have a great deal of sympathy for your argument, but let the voter's decide is also a very compelling argument. Otherwise you go back to a 19th century America where the party establishment decides who runs and doesn't run. Strangely as I wrote that, I realized that might be the Canadian method. I'm not criticizing, but Americans like the idea of a direct vote for our leader and outsiders shaking the political establishment up.
Which leads to me a very important point. I wish we could go back to 2017 when the Democrats started to lose their mind and began using legal apparatus to intimidate and dog Trump for four years. It angered a lot of Americans more than it really accomplished.
If you are worrying about Trump "the dictator", let's look at what happen during his first term. He didn't get everything he wanted even when the Republicans controlled Congress the first two years. We have liberal members here consistently make the contradictory argument that Trump didn't do anything as President while calling him a dictator. There is also the recalcitrant Federal bureaucracy. It's very hard to change its course. It just is.
I don't know if you are a student of history, but I think it's fairly safe to say that "dictators" are very good at getting things done whether one likes the actions or not.
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There really is no conflict if you try to understand the U.S. Constitution and U.S. law. If you just start applying case law obtusely to make your argument, you find yourself at an intellectual dead-end.
Case and point: think of abortion like any other State and local health restrictions and mandates. Our Congress could have passed a Federal law making abortion legal for a certain time in the pregnancy. They didn't so the Supreme Court ruled that it was a State matter. If you start getting into rights and freedoms, there are plenty of personal health matters that are addressed by laws and restrictions at the State and local level. (Note: I'm not making a case for banning abortions.)
Now as far as SCOTUS and Gorsuch, the States have a lot of self-determination on how to conduct an election particularly for State and local elections. However, Colorado's court is interfering with a national election. The precedence of Federal control over elections is codified by several amendments to our Constitution. A good example is the 26th Amendment that gives U.S. citizens 18 years old and over the right to vote in ALL States in ALL elections. A State can't opt out and raise the age even in local elections.
I don't think you have to make outsized and exaggerated arguments to make your case here. It's considered grossly inappropriate to invoke Hitler in any argument. Perhaps you could invoke Genghis Khan. However, I don't think Trump could ride around on a horse all day, but he might if he could.
I think many of us saw the humor and the bits of irony in Redbag's post of Trump attributes. People go "nuclear" or shall I dare say go "Hitler" trying to dismiss everything about Trump.
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I dont know about irony. Americans are exactly dumb enough to vote for tall men with hair.
Interestingly, most of the Confederates impacted by the law were pardoned as part of reconciliation.
Only after signing a loyalty oath. Maybe Trump ought to sign a loyalty oath
I'm not sure it is honest or helpful to equate January 6th with the extremely bloody Civil War.
Just a matter of scale. Much the same rhetoric. Still crying in their beer about having to free the slaves. I don't think the Donald would have any real objection to slaves...
I never said that Canadians are much smarter. It’s a part of the same North American idiotic culture.
I'm not seeing the humor or cleverness in the repeated use of the pejorative phrase "Fuck off". I guess being a pseudo-intellectual limits my ability to appreciate the genius behind such words.
BTW, Eva Braun was just pleasant looking.........smoking hot? No.
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Saving democracy? Do you really believe that's what Washington is? You can't be that naive. It's not a democracy, its a kleptocratic ship. And Trump is the only one who threatens to sink it. Biden on the other hand is its Captain. An inept one mind you, somewhat reminiscent of the Captain of that Italian cruise ship that sunk in the Mediterranean.
In a democracy the people choose who they want for their leaders.
A hard concept for you to understand comrade?
Another interesting historical reference is that I believe Lincoln was left off the ballot in several Southern states in the 1860 Presidential election.
In a democracy people have the right to choose their leader. Sounds like you believe the people want him to lead them again.
Is that what scares you?
Any sentient being should be scared of large groups of people led by a criminal
A rare case of mitchell76 not sounding nutty.
This will get appealed.
I strongly suspect it will get narrowly overturned on some kind of hair splitting, which is a shame, because some actual clarity about how this part of the Constitution should be applied would be helpful.
I don't expect we will see that, though.
Instead Trump will be put back on the Colorado primary ballot (which I kind of think is the correct move, since I don't think it should apply to the primary ballot).
