Nor does he grasp politics. And why it’s a bad thing when one side screw up so bad, it’s a train wreck.
Bonnie Crombie elected new leader of the Ontario Liberal Party
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What is the big deal of owning a house no matter where in Canada? We have Pee Pee owning several houses. Sure 2-3 years is an eternity and a lot can change in politics!!
The Liberals had more votes than the NDP and yet have a lot less seats than them in the Ontario Elections. They did not even achieve a party status. That. is why the first past the post matters!!
You really know how to exaggerate the scale of what The Liberals did? You think that the Ford Government is anymore "Fiscally Responsible":
Ford government continues Wynne-like debt levels
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/ford-government-continues-wynne-like-debt-levels
See you cannot grasp what the implications were as you guys were defending Ford's Non-University credentials, while attacking Trudeau for having a "Teacher's University Degree". To you alt right wingers that did not making him qualified to be a PM. But you guys think that Ford's Street vending business make him a better candidate. Maybe now you get it!!
You painted yourself in a corner as you are found out to have two different standards and hence desperately trying to move the goal posts!!
Even less of a deal. Lots of Canadian Snowbirds own properties in The USA. At least it frees up one more home that Canadians desperately need in Canada. Doug Ford has a second house in Muskoka. So again what is the big deal with owning a second home if Poilievre has around 3 or 4 homes?
DoFo's plan for Ontario Place looks worse every day.
Doug has been kicking ass during elections, 2 majority govts. Marit gets lots of air time from the lefty media ie cp23 and global.
So far, but that was before the Greenbelt, emergency room closures, education cutbacks, Ontario Place and an endless list of corruption and ineptitude.
At least you no longer whine about the healthcare cut BS you swallowed.
ER closures are called code blacks. They occur when there isn’t enough staff or the ER is at capacity. If you understood economics, the consequences of going into debt up to your eyeballs. Had read and absorbed FAO report you’ve learned not to cite about the topic, and grasped the impact of Boomers and immigration…Had you knew who Drummond or Mintz are and paid attention
You’d understand that’s your fault, for not listening to warnings, and the mess you left.
/looks at all the problems that need $$
/looks at Hydro
/looks at housing
/looks at mass immigration
/looks at Boomers
/looks at debt to gdp
/looks at….
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Time to rethink proposal to move Ontario Science Centre (thestar.com)
Back to the drawing board in Ontario Science Centre move
The government should work on a plan that invests in the existing science centre and creates a satellite site to help revitalize Ontario Place.
ByStar Editorial Board
Friday, December 8, 2023
Here’s a shocker — Doug Ford’s government made the decision to relocate the Ontario Science Centre with little consultation, faulty cost analysis and no clear plan.
Sound familiar? It should. It’s the modus operandi for many of this government’s big — and too often ill-considered — decisions.
Think back to the move — ultimately reversed — to open parts of the protected Greenbelt to housing development, described by the auditor general’s office as “not transparent, fair, objective, or fully informed.”
In a report this week on the science centre move, the auditor general covers familiar ground, describing a half-baked process that was not rigorous and failed to consider key information.
The government announced in April that the Ontario Science Centre — which opened in 1969 in a building designed by architect Raymond Moriyama at Don Mills Road and Eglinton Avenue East — would be relocated to Ontario Place.
In a report released this week, interim auditor general Nick Stavropoulos undercuts the government’s very justifications for the move.
The proposal to move the centre to a downtown location did not account for how distance and traffic congestion would impact attendance, especially for suburban families and school trips. Students make up one-quarter of the centre’s visitors yet there was no consultation with local school boards.
There was no serious discussion with the City of Toronto and none at all with the Toronto and Region Conservation Authority. The science centre has a 99-year lease with the city and the authority and does not have the right to terminate the lease.
Stavropoulos says the government’s costing for the move falls short. It wasn’t until this month that the government released the business case behind the decision to relocate the centre, which claims the move would save about $250 million over 50 years compared to keeping the centre at the existing site. Not so, according to Stavropoulos, who says the analysis failed to include parking costs, nor financing, legal and other transaction costs.
"I can't speak to intent, but what I can speak to is that there was a lot of information that was not put forward to decision makers," he said, a finding that echoes the Greenbelt debacle.
The report's findings do fuel suspicions that the science centre relocation was intended to provide cover for the controversial construction of a private spa and waterpark at Ontario Place. It reveals that the province is contractually obligated to provide parking for both the spa and the Live Nation concert venue. "The submission proposed that the new parking be integrated with the new Ontario Science Centre building in order to dispel public/stakeholder concerns relating to cost and impact on the environment," the report said.
Finally, the auditor’s report provides important context to Ford's derisive complaints that the science centre is "tired," falling down and holds no appeal.
He needs to look in the mirror for the reason why.
Attendance is down — about 12 per cent from peak attendance in 2013-14 — and no wonder. The place is falling down.
The report paints a picture of an attraction that has been neglected and now lives in the past. The average age of the exhibits is 14 years old and many of the permanent exhibits have not changed since 2015.
The centre has been repeatedly denied funding for maintenance projects deemed at risk of “critical failure.” The cost of deferred work is now estimated at $370 million.
Last year, a pedestrian bridge connecting the main entrance with the exhibit halls was closed after an inspection revealed a “significant risk” of structural failure. Visitors now have to take a shuttle bus, an inconvenience which detracts from the experience. As well last year, the planetarium was closed because of technical problems with outdated equipment.
After the government failed to invest in the building and its attractions, it takes a certain gall for Ford to now cite its rundown condition and declining attendance as justification to build new. In what world is this sensible? It speaks to dreadful stewardship of public assets and a shocking disregard for the public purse. It would be akin to a homeowner neglecting the upkeep of their house and then opting to scrap it and buy new when the basement leaks or the front steps need replacing.
The government has backed off its original plan to tear down the existing facility, which made no sense at all. As Moriyama wrote the Star in April, the centre was built to last, saying, "we guaranteed that with proper maintenance the life of this project will last far beyond 250 years."
Here's an idea — go back to the drawing board to craft a solution that provides the needed investment and renewal of the existing science centre site. At the same time, the province should consider creating a satellite branch of science centre that would help revitalize Ontario Place.
That would be better than the flawed proposal on the table now.
The Star’s Editorial Board is responsible for the editorial and op-ed pages, as well as content on the Opinion section of thestar.com. That includes editorials, letters to the editor, columns, opinion articles by guest commentators and multi-media features on thestar.com Opinion section.
Whataboutisms.
Explain why you think the 800 emerg closures in Ontario are ok.
Explain why you think this is justified because of economics.
Then explain why DoFo is hiring private contracted nurses at 2x the cost and using private operations that also are at 2-4x the cost of public.
And paying private for-profit clinics that he has "set-up" much, much more to perform surgeries that could have been performed for much, much less at public not for-profit hospitals and clinics if he chose to adequately fund them to set up "off hours" surgery.
Not exaggerating at all.
The Ford government inherited the worlds largest non-sovereign debt after 15 years of reckless Liberal government spending and financial mismanagement. For some reason you refuse to acknowledge that while it's indeed a well documented fact.
What's the point of debating anything if you won't even come to terms with that inconvenient truth?
ummmm no.
You were criticizing Ford for not having the same level of education as JT.
I merely pointed out that many successful people dropped out of school and I provided examples to illustrate my point.
You're losing track of your own flip-flops here.
Again you cannot grasp that Trudeau was in Parliament a lot longer than Ford was in the local council. He had zero experience at the Provincial level before being nominated as the Leader and then voted as The Premier. But the whole point is that even before Trudeau became the PM, the right wingers on this Board were attacking him for being having experience as a "Teacher" although he had a degree in that profession. Moreover he had the parliamentary experience since 2008. Much better credentials than Ford had at a Provincial level. Do not know why you threw those entrepreneurs into the mix, as they were totally out of context!!
You weren't talking about political experience, you were talking about education.
flip-flop, flip-flop, flip-flop
