Body Blitz Controversy
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What's your position on this?
Or is this just another general post so you can ramble on about many different things than the topic started?
Are you guys capable of saying anything intelligent? If yes, please show it.
This equality bs started many years ago, when it was just the white male who was under attack, from employment to male only clubs. The lunacy that has evolved with the LGT....and so on and so forth, as they add new letters each week it seems, has become a circus that the left has created. The new laws to enshrine "their" rights, like they are special, takes away from the rights that should be all encompassing and those are for "all Canadians" period! There should be nothing more. Within those rights are the right to have a club like the one in question, where the patrons can have females only and sorry, but no trans. That's their right as free Canadians. This push is like all pushes from these fringe communities and that is to topple places like this, as it is a bastion to be taken down to them, not to join a club of like minded people that share many commonalities in life, but to expose it for something it's not and to chalk up another one in the win column for them.
This is a tough issue.
Before I get flamed, let me say that I fully support anyone who is trans-gender.
I understand that sex is a spectrum and while most of us are at one extreme or the other, many people are mentally in a different place than their anatomy would indicate.
Some of those have surgery to make their anatomy match their mental state, but many (probably most) don't.
It's easy to say that people who identify with female, but were born with a penis, should be allowed to dress as a woman, be referred to as "she" etc.
It's not quite as easy to accept that such people should be allowed to use women's washrooms.
It's much harder to accept that a person with a penis should be naked in a women's-only environment.
The trans-gender person deserves to be respected in their choice of sex. The women deserve to know they won't come face to face (as it were) with a penis.
So what is the answer?
Before I get flamed, let me say that I fully support anyone who is trans-gender.
I understand that sex is a spectrum and while most of us are at one extreme or the other, many people are mentally in a different place than their anatomy would indicate.
Some of those have surgery to make their anatomy match their mental state, but many (probably most) don't.
It's easy to say that people who identify with female, but were born with a penis, should be allowed to dress as a woman, be referred to as "she" etc.
It's not quite as easy to accept that such people should be allowed to use women's washrooms.
It's much harder to accept that a person with a penis should be naked in a women's-only environment.
The trans-gender person deserves to be respected in their choice of sex. The women deserve to know they won't come face to face (as it were) with a penis.
So what is the answer?
It will be interesting to see how this is resolved. Apparently, the trans have the law on their side but how many physically "natural" women agree with the law in this particular case? Got to be careful with words or risk attack by the usual suspects.
Some, maybe most, trans do take hormones to grow female breasts although they might still retain their male genitalia. Question: How is Caitlyn Jenner doing?
The fact is less than .03% of people in Canada identify as transgender. As many of you know it is painfully difficult trying to run a profitable small business in the current economic environment. I feel for the business owners who have to put up with the agenda-crazed folks out there.
I'm all for equality, transgender rights, inclusion etc. But I can also understand how the owners of Body Blitz are trying to make the 99.9% of their clientele feel comfortable by not allowing men who identify as female walk around with their cocks hanging out. After all, it's a bathing suit optional spa.
I'm sure this would make many regulars feel uncomfortable and stop going if they allowed pre-op MTF transgenders to walk around naked. Quite frankly, I feel sorry for the owners.
I think the transgenders need to have some respect for other peoples rights as well.
I'm sure this would make many regulars feel uncomfortable and stop going if they allowed pre-op MTF transgenders to walk around naked. Quite frankly, I feel sorry for the owners.
I think the transgenders need to have some respect for other peoples rights as well.
Everyone doe not need to take a position on every issue. This is a perfect example, where outsiders venting their feelings and positions can only hinder the people actually involved. They're the ones who need to figure out how to work out this complex issue, and they're the only ones it affects.
There's always these consensus that LGT and in this situation the Trans need to be respected...but what about the policies of businesses? Those policies need to be respected as well. This could either turn good or bad for Blitz...there are probably women who would just start going there because of their strict vag-only facility. Otherwise any perv can just walk in, claim to be a woman?
Not the first all female spa/gym approached by a trans male looking to shake down the owner. The scenario goes like this: I want a membership and I'm pre op trans. I'll go away for $$$, or I'll complain to the Ontario human rights commission. The story I heard was the owner refused, a complaint was made and it cost the owner about $50,000 in legal fees to defend himself. Meanwhile the complainant disappeared. I heard it third hand so I have no credible evidence one way or the other.
I wonder if this will be an issue at this year's Gay Pride Parade? Gay Pride is now a minority organization being run by even smaller minorities (BLM and trans).
How tough is it to run a small business? Even without this trans controversy, the McGill Club still went under.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/rep...start-a-private-toronto-club/article25426096/
http://uniset.ca/ps21/globeandmail.html
How tough is it to run a small business? Even without this trans controversy, the McGill Club still went under.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/rep...start-a-private-toronto-club/article25426096/
http://uniset.ca/ps21/globeandmail.html
It's always fun to watch PC culture Clash with other PC culture. So are women's rights now Trumped by Transgender rights?
Guess the courts will again decide.
Guess the courts will again decide.
No flaming intended Re:
Well-said.
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Kind of what I'm wondering as-well.
Could someone enlighten me on how community acceess to private membership "clubs," works, when it comes to OHRC? I mean, for the sake of argument, if I opened up a private gym requiring membership for access, does my criteria for admission NEED to fall in-line with Ontario's Human Rights Code?
Could I, for instance, open a trans-women gym that actively barred cis-men, trans-men and cis-women from obtaining membership without facing scrutiny under the law? Obviously, scruitiny in the court of public opinion can't be totally prevented.
Since it's not a public facility, does OHRC apply in the Body Blitz example?
"The Ontario Human Rights Code is a provincial law that gives everybody equal rights and opportunities without discrimination in specific social areas such as jobs, housing, services, facilities, and contracts or agreements."
I really don't understand how this works.
Tor Star - Body Blitz Spa Trans Policy Backlash
It does not seem to me, after I read the article, that the offended party nor Rogula has asked for a handout, nor have they threatened any kind of legal action should membership policy not change. It seems Rogula is dropping her membership in protest, and these actions combined with the media attention is prompting Body Blitz to conduct a policy review. Keyword: Review.
I hope I'm not putting words in your mouth, but I feel you may have meant that gender, like sexuality, exists on a spectrum. Sex tends to be generally a binary concept. Keyword: Generally.
Well-said.
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Kind of what I'm wondering as-well.
Could someone enlighten me on how community acceess to private membership "clubs," works, when it comes to OHRC? I mean, for the sake of argument, if I opened up a private gym requiring membership for access, does my criteria for admission NEED to fall in-line with Ontario's Human Rights Code?
Could I, for instance, open a trans-women gym that actively barred cis-men, trans-men and cis-women from obtaining membership without facing scrutiny under the law? Obviously, scruitiny in the court of public opinion can't be totally prevented.
Since it's not a public facility, does OHRC apply in the Body Blitz example?
"The Ontario Human Rights Code is a provincial law that gives everybody equal rights and opportunities without discrimination in specific social areas such as jobs, housing, services, facilities, and contracts or agreements."
I really don't understand how this works.
Tor Star - Body Blitz Spa Trans Policy Backlash
It does not seem to me, after I read the article, that the offended party nor Rogula has asked for a handout, nor have they threatened any kind of legal action should membership policy not change. It seems Rogula is dropping her membership in protest, and these actions combined with the media attention is prompting Body Blitz to conduct a policy review. Keyword: Review.
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“Women-only spaces should not be for cis (someone who identifies with the sex they were born as) women only, but all women including trans women who are women."
Do all or a majority of the women only members agree with the above quote? They might not.
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