Blue Jays have landed a new catcher
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Nice intelligent comment.Ranger68 said:Yeah.
You NEVER see teams signing guys like these to fill organizational holes.
Same old same old JP bashing.
Hey, guys, at least learn to spell his name .......
A commentary on a GM having to buy alot of his team when they are on a fixed budget is dumb?
Did he have to make the move now... yes.
The point is that he has had to buy too much talent either through arbitration trades or FA... the fact that this is how he has to fill in alot of holes shows a piss poor job of developing the system.
BTW, based on your non-sensical retorts I'll just stick to the baseball boards I frequent.
And I'll play the same game as you, except I'll be accurate. I know alot more about the game then you do.
Other than the Yankees, who ISN'T on a "fixed budget"?!
lol
The developmental system is middle of the pack, not "piss poor". They're in the same boat as most other teams.
You wanna throw down, Maurice?
Back up your statement that the developmental system is "piss poor".
Or shaddup.
lol
The developmental system is middle of the pack, not "piss poor". They're in the same boat as most other teams.
You wanna throw down, Maurice?
Back up your statement that the developmental system is "piss poor".
Or shaddup.
Here, wait, I'll start.
Last year's WS champions, the Cardinals:
C - developed
1B - developed
2B - trade
3B - trade
SS - trade
LF - trade
CF - trade
RF - FA
Top three SP - trade, FA, FA
Closer - FA
How about the 2005 White Sox, a team with a budget very similar to the Jays?
C - FA
1B - FA
2B - FA
3B - developed
SS - trade
LF - trade
CF - developed
RF - FA
DH - trade
Top four SP - developed, trade, trade, trade
Closer - FA
And how, exactly, does this support the theory that a "great" organization primarily develops players and merely uses trades and FAs to fill holes?
Or, are you just one of those who think JP and Godfrey are lovers?
lol
Oh, BTW, Slam Sports ain't a "baseball board".
See ya.
Last year's WS champions, the Cardinals:
C - developed
1B - developed
2B - trade
3B - trade
SS - trade
LF - trade
CF - trade
RF - FA
Top three SP - trade, FA, FA
Closer - FA
How about the 2005 White Sox, a team with a budget very similar to the Jays?
C - FA
1B - FA
2B - FA
3B - developed
SS - trade
LF - trade
CF - developed
RF - FA
DH - trade
Top four SP - developed, trade, trade, trade
Closer - FA
And how, exactly, does this support the theory that a "great" organization primarily develops players and merely uses trades and FAs to fill holes?
Or, are you just one of those who think JP and Godfrey are lovers?
lol
Oh, BTW, Slam Sports ain't a "baseball board".
See ya.
When he was hired, JP said he was on a five-year plan to develope a contender. In year four, they finished second in the division, ahead of the Sox.
If you don't think they're close, you're not thinking clearly.
The Jays are a mixed team now, relatively speaking - a combination of team development (Halladay, Rios, Wells, Hill, Chacin and several other pitchers - next year Lind), trades, and FAs.
He's developing the team the best way he can.
How many sub-.500 years has JP put in?
How is the farm system in such a mess?
None of your arguments hold much merit.
If you don't think they're close, you're not thinking clearly.
The Jays are a mixed team now, relatively speaking - a combination of team development (Halladay, Rios, Wells, Hill, Chacin and several other pitchers - next year Lind), trades, and FAs.
He's developing the team the best way he can.
How many sub-.500 years has JP put in?
How is the farm system in such a mess?
None of your arguments hold much merit.
Geez that's an obscene amount of money! Don't get me wrong, I like Zaun, and he's a better bet than Barajas, but OMFG that's a lot for what he brings. Besides, I was kinda looking forward to having him to back up Varitek.guyroch said:
On balance 2006 must be considered a good year. In other years and several other divisions they would have been in the post season. The organisation with its spending can take some credit for that.guyroch said:
The farm system has been rated badly, I know but there are still some very good prospects coming through. Thin in terms of pitching though.
Decision on Wells is not critical, especially if they trade for a quality pitcher. The batting line-up is strong and could possibly absorb that.
And the year before too!Ranger68 said:
RedSox
C - trade
1B - FA
2B - FA
3B - FA
SS - trade
LF - FA
CF - FA
RF - developed
DH - FA
1,2,3,4 Starters - trade
5 Starter (Wakefield) - scrapheap
CL - FA
Ya know what's funny? The Yanks develop players better than most. Last time they won they started 3 Homegrown position players, 1 SP and their closer. That puts them ahead of at least the last 4 champs in player development, even the '03 Marlins. Doesn't make anyone hate the f%$#ers less though.
So, they've been sub-.500 (one year *very slightly*) twice, and over .500 twice. Noticeably, in his fourth year, when it's his stamp all over the team, they were WELL over .500.guyroch said:
Sure as shit is. The Tigers went from last to first. You don't think it's a much smaller step to go from second to first? Against an old team like the Yankees?? lolguyroch said:
Again, if you don't think the Jays are close, you're not thinking clearly, or are not capable of it with regards to baseball.guyroch said:
So, you should be able to back up your perspective with reason and logic. If it's "just your opinion", then, well - opinions are like assholes.guyroch said:
Tell us what JP's done wrong and how he's messed up the farm system. Compare the Jays' farm system to that of other teams. Compare his moves to other teams with similar budgets.
Like what? Where did they rank?guyroch said:
Back it up.
Why should I judge his work on one move or non-move? What sense does that make?guyroch said:
Why not? Because you say so? How did the Jays' injuries (Rios, Halladay, Burnett) compare with theirs?guyroch said:
Again, your arguments hold no merit.
If you care to, try to back them up.
Not even four mil a year is "obscene"?bigdik said:
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You haven't been paying attention lately, have you?
The guy has put up good (to very good) offensive numbers in the last two years. That's good enough for me.
If it keeps Barajas out of town, great.
Nah, I know, it's an economy of scale and those dollars are in scale. It's still obscene.Ranger68 said:
"get a life"
Good argument.
"Unlike you"
How do you know I won't change my tune? Just because you make an argument, doesn't mean it makes sense.
Get it?
"some baseball experts think he is a big fruad"
Like who?
You continue to ignore my questions.
Perhaps it's "your job" to base your opinion on something other than gut feeling. IF you're a fan. To give up and say "No body is right" is a total cop-out - some arguments can be backed up, others can't. Some arguments ARE RIGHT, others ARE WRONG.
Get it?
Good argument.
"Unlike you"
How do you know I won't change my tune? Just because you make an argument, doesn't mean it makes sense.
Get it?
"some baseball experts think he is a big fruad"
Like who?
You continue to ignore my questions.
Perhaps it's "your job" to base your opinion on something other than gut feeling. IF you're a fan. To give up and say "No body is right" is a total cop-out - some arguments can be backed up, others can't. Some arguments ARE RIGHT, others ARE WRONG.
Get it?
All MLB catchers 33 and older, with 300 PAs last year, ranked by OPS, with last year's salaries:bigdik said:Nah, I know, it's an economy of scale and those dollars are in scale. It's still obscene.
Posada, 12 million;
Piazza, 1.25 million;
Zaun;
Lo Duca, 6.6 million;
Rodriguez, 10.6 million
Varitek, 10 million;
Miller, 3.25 million;
Lopez, 9 million;
Ausmus, 3 million.
Zaun's being paid reasonably relative to all the obscene amounts these guys are making.
You forgot Chacin... and I think he is one of the sleepers in the BJ pitching picture.Ranger68 said:
If he can be consistent and injury free, he has the talent to be a great #2 or, in time, even the ace.
Perry
Actually, if you look at the Redsox championship team, there were only 2 "high priced"FA position players, and Foulke. 4 GM's had their hands in the club, and they pulled some major pieces off the scrapheap. They actually do have a budget, albeit a very large one. If you want to accuse them of buying championships though, it hasn't worked out all that well, has it, what with the one in 88 years and all.guyroch said:
And Soriano didn't play the last time the Yanks won. I was referring to Jeter, Williams, Posada, Pettitte and Rivera.
True enough, I'd take 2.5 Zauns for 1 Lopez anyday, I'd rather pay Zaun than Barajas too, I just meant it's all obscene.Ranger68 said:
Guy, where does Bob Elliot say that JP is a big fraud?
I'll buy that the Jays system is thin in top prospects, which is what that list shows. (BTW, that system they use to rank the teams is pretty funny - as if those top teams are TEN TIMES BETTER than the bottom ones. lol Leave it to Fox. ) Anyway, it has been for some time. It has NOT been thin in MLB-worthy prospects, which have been coming in a steady stream to the big club. It is NOT "piss poor". The Jays have finished reasonably well in the RoY voting in the last few years, and have had decent seasons from rookies recently. Players like McGowan, League, Frasor, Chacin, Adams, Hill, and Rios may not have been top prospects, but they may prove to be very capable major league players.
I'll buy that the Jays system is thin in top prospects, which is what that list shows. (BTW, that system they use to rank the teams is pretty funny - as if those top teams are TEN TIMES BETTER than the bottom ones. lol Leave it to Fox.
) Anyway, it has been for some time. It has NOT been thin in MLB-worthy prospects, which have been coming in a steady stream to the big club. It is NOT "piss poor". The Jays have finished reasonably well in the RoY voting in the last few years, and have had decent seasons from rookies recently. Players like McGowan, League, Frasor, Chacin, Adams, Hill, and Rios may not have been top prospects, but they may prove to be very capable major league players.I don't think JP's a genius. Nobody said he was. (Did they? If so, who?)
The problem with most fringe sports fans is that they're full of opinions, and guys are usually either idiots or geniuses, heroes or goats. Never in between. Of course, reality is something entirely different than this mis-informed opinion.
But, to blame the Sox' fall on injuries this year is LAUGHABLE.
Laughable, I say.
The problem with most fringe sports fans is that they're full of opinions, and guys are usually either idiots or geniuses, heroes or goats. Never in between. Of course, reality is something entirely different than this mis-informed opinion.
But, to blame the Sox' fall on injuries this year is LAUGHABLE.
Laughable, I say.
