Blue Jays 2018 Season (Good Riddance 2017)
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That is what I see as well! Gaviglio not even close, can't find the plate, gets worse each time through the line up. Reid-Foley needs more time in the minors, needs to throw located strikes, could be there someday but not ready yet.
Gurriel is special. Just need to figure out where to play him, bat just gets better!
R-F's start last night was marred by awful defence. That wore him down. Made him face the TB lineup more times than he would have to. Cranked his pitch count massively. Tellez fucked up in the first and cost R-F 2 runs. McKinney took an awful route to the ball in the 4th (?) and cost R-F another run. The last fuck-up doesn't count as an error on the scorecard, but it's poor fielding nevertheless. Without those plays, R-F would have pitched a shutout.
You need to spend more time reading the Koran and studying baseball, Phil.
That is the real problem with the BJ's! Especially Rogers who !
What happens in the dugout and on the field should be a sporting decision. But that is what happens when a large business corporation -- especially a public corporation with lots of shareholders -- owns the franchise: business first!
Which is why most successful teams are either some rich man's toy, some corporation's vanity team, a small group of owners who just want to have fun or a corporation dedicated to the sports/entertainment industry.
George Steinbrenner was one of the very few who was able to combine the two and prioritize sporting decisions when it came to the Yankees. I have said it before: he knew that the way for a business corporation to make money from a sports franchise was/is to invest and put a winning team on the field/ice/court...
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Think Green Bay packers . They are interested in winning, even though small market winning is their bottom line.
Stienbrenner knew it paid to have a contender every year because of massive TV contracts.
Jays made a business decision to cash in for a couple of years on a pretender instead of building a future contender.
Now they pay the financial price but, as a business decision , I can see their POV. Tough call.
Another factor is baseball does not want the Jays to contend as Americans want the Yanks, Red Sox etc in the show not some Canadian team.
I believe you are contradicting yourself. As I have said before, they needed to spend some money to keep their team competitive as Steinbrenner would have done as you state above. Not let the team get incrementally worse each year of shapeero's 3 years and NOW tell us we need another 3 years. Rogers has deeeep pockets so as to keep the team competitive and maintain fan interest and still build the farm at the same time. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Interesting in that he had a run of about 15 years in a row where the Yankees didn't make the post season. A lot of those years they stunk. I believe they finally made the post season in '95 or something.
I think they are exclusive for the Jays. You are suggesting free agent market? Jays refuse to sign long term million $ contracts with no guarantee of performance. Other teams will sign those absurd contracts which means no big free agent signings for the Jays.
The other way to build a winner is farm system which Jays had a great chance to stock a few years ago by dumping all their aging stars but chose to keep the status quo as a pretender because they filled seats, knowing full well they only had a couple of years left out of their vets. It was a hard cold business decision all brought on by the acquisition of Price as that started a wave of fans buying tickets which continued the few years Jays were pretenders .
I am not suggesting that they go out and sign multiple big name FAs and create an instant playoff team, but give the fans enough talent to keep their interest. This team was toast by mid-June. The team is taking a bath by going on the cheap. So sign a decent FA or two to give us something to cheer for, keep some asses in the seats and leave the farm system untouched. It doesn't seem so complicated. Especially for a rich owner like Rogers.
They thought they could compete this year without FA
Lets see what happens next year
They definitly need a couple of solid starters and with the young guys coming up maybe they can compete for wild card
Sounds like you're making excuses for him, oagre.
Tell me something else, how can walking 4 guys in 4 innings be "lights out"?? (as you put it)
http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=656887#/career/R/pitching/2018/ALL
Phil, the announcers and the offical mlb.com wrap on the game said the same things I did....... Let's just leave it there and move on.
Pannone walked 3 guys in a row in the 3rd(?). Under Phil's rules, that's a bad outing - even though Pannone got out of the jam in the end.
I wouldn't count on it. There's enough new talent up in September, that I am guessing that 2019 will be a year to develop talent and not sign FA's.
Personally, I'm happy with Gurriel and Tellez - assuming they continue to play as they have. Ditto Grichuk. With pitching, the team can field decently and score enough runs to be competitive, as is. Check how Stanton is doing in NY. He's got more power and production that any BJ, but he is massively overpaid for his contribution, even based on his stats.
Who are doing the best out there? Bosox - because they home grow their talent.
Under my rules it isn't! He got out of the inning after Walker spoke to him and went 6.2 innings. Who got the win? How far did R-F go on Friday? Who took the loss?
Fair enough re Pannone. Re R-F, I've already said my piece.
The only note I would add re Pannone is to echo the radio commentators who said that his fastball tops out at 86 mph and the only time he faced a team for the 2nd time, he got killed. Trying to actually have a discussion on this and not play 1-upmanship. The concern w Pannone is that he has to be perfect to succeed. If he's perfect, he's Greg Maddux. If he's not - or teams figure out what he's throwing - he's Josh Towers.
BTW, if you extrapolate over an entire season (playing the normal 140-150 games), who's the BJ's rbi leader? Hint: - he's played 1/2 as many games as Morales and already has 35 rbi's.
RE 2019: I am guessing that Morales gets traded on the off season (or they don't resign him, if he's a FA). He's little more effective a hitter than Grichuk or Hernandez and time isn't on his side. Morales can't make the Jays a contender or even play much of a role and he's blocking another, younger hitter from hitting in the lineup and gaining experience. Unless Tellez falls off in spring training, I am guessing that he starts 2019 as the regular dh with Smoak at 1B.
I think you may have heard that wrong. His fastball hovers around 88-91 MPH
https://jaysjournal.com/2018/01/28/toronto-blue-jays-top-prospects-17-thomas-pannone/
