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Bill C-36 tabled (New Prostitution Law)

Nikki2

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That doesnt even make sense. The internet is like 70% porn. Why single out terb over xhamster.
https://terb.cc is not a site where you post porn. It is a forum where women post their ads and men comment on their services. See the difference?
 

james t kirk

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I sky falling? nope.
Is our hobby going to change? Yep. Big time.

I see it playing out something like this.

The parliament will pass the bill, it will go to the senate and be given royal ascent making it law. Not sure how long all this will take, a month maybe? I don't see any opposition to it other than the typical opposition party "everything the government is doing is wrong" and then go on to ignore because there are better more popular things to score points on. Very few of us boast to someone else about the excellent time we just had with an SP (other than anonymously on TERB). We really are a silent minority of only thousands and not an important percentage of the electorate. I don't think every terbite voting one way would make a lick of difference to any outcome in an election. The outcome would have been similar regardless if it were conservative, liberal or NDP.

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I don't want to, but I'm quite sure I will be one of those retiring. It was a fun ride. I remember how nervous I was getting into the hobby when the risks were smaller and everything was stable. Don't want to go back to that uncertainty. Will the laws change again? Maybe, but not for years, the argument will be SPs are now safer and no one (other than the SP) has or will have sympathy for their evil customers. For the mainstream- no one cares about this issue other than out of curiosity - so why would there be any priority to change things again by anyone?
Good post.

If I had a comment on the pay for sex industry in Canada in the last 10 years, it would be that it has become a LOT more mainstream and out in the open. (Which is why Ms. Bedford should have just left things well enough alone. I truly blame her naivety for this result. But I digress.) Paying for sex is far more out in the open than it has ever been in the past. You can see that on TERB, and by the shear numbers of women in the industry and the proliferation of massage parlours, etc. Because the laws were favourable, and the ones that did exist were rarely enforced (the exception may have been street walking), more and more men began to take part in "the hobby". You can see that on TERB.

But things are going to change.

Sure, there will be a hard core group of guys who will role the dice and take their chances because they NEED to hobby.

But the recreational users of the hobby, the guys who have a lot to lose, professionals who cannot chance a criminal record will stop and stop cold. (Or if they do still partake, it will be all the while looking over their shoulders for LE and it won't be a comfortable place to hobby from. We (and I say we because I'm in this category will not enjoy the overall experience because in the back of our heads it will be, "Christ, I hope I don't get busted" and visions of those US cop shows where they set up stings to bust johns will be replaying in our heads as we walk up to whatever location.)

The neuveau hobbiest (the guys who have driven the explosive growth in Canada in the last 10 years) will severely curtail and or eliminate altogether their involvement in pay for play industry. It's never going to disappear, but it is going to get clobbered and with it, the thousands of women who make their living from it.

Once this law is passed, this hobby will go right back to the way it was in 1972 in Canada. Underground, dangerous for all, highly unpredictable and fraught with risk.
 

asterwald

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https://terb.cc is not a site where you post porn. It is a forum where women post their ads and men comment on their services. See the difference?

Yeah but they don`t want to expose kids to the ads due to their adult content right? I`ll have to read it over but that was my impression.
 

onthebottom

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Doesn't matter.

The poll could be 100% no and the Reformers wouldn't change the law one iota.

I wish I could say that I am surprised, but I'm not. I knew that this would happen. This government has chosen to legislate morality because at their core, they are a bunch of social conservatives very much like their Republican counter-parts in the USA.
Sadly I think you're moving to our model, which is the wrong direction. In fairness, Democrats down here favor outlawing prostitution as well - not a lot of political empathy on either side for horny rich guys. Would the other Canadian parties really have done anything different, what are the real polls (vs the nonsense online being posted here) on the topic on Canada?

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Elizabeth May MP @ElizabethMay · 11h
Reading prostitution act #C36 I wonder if Harper plans to run an election based on attacking the Supreme Court. So clearly ignores Bedford.
 

nottyboi

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I have no doubt this bill is unconstitutional, but what is the process by which it can be taken down? Can Bedford go back to the court and on the basis of their last ruling ask for a summary judgment on this new legislation? Since the govt claims the goal of this bill is to stop exploitation, and it can be easilt shown on the basis of the last challange it endangers them, what is the earliest the supreme court can review and thrash this?
 

Nikki2

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DigitallyYours

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SPs are allowed to advertise their own services, so I don't see how they are trying to eliminate every single escort ad. The bill would eliminate third parties advertising someone else's services.

Under the new regime, nobody would want to write reviews anymore. That would basically be an after the fact admittance of committing a crime.
 

elise

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I just don't understand how on earth they think they can possibly eliminate every single escort ad and website from the internet? Is this realistic?
They can't and won't. But they will target some of the big sites or players, say like Mirage, Dream-Makers etc. that make a profit from the escorts. Not likely and indie (too small of a fish) .

The thinking is that publicity and reaction will scare the others away to avoid the same fate. It always works to a degree.
 

nottyboi

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Elizabeth May MP @ElizabethMay · 11h
Reading prostitution act #C36 I wonder if Harper plans to run an election based on attacking the Supreme Court. So clearly ignores Bedford.
I hope he tries it, the Supreme Court is the last thin line protecting us from Adolf Harper. Canadians will not accept this shit.
 

Nikki2

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I have no doubt this bill is unconstitutional, but what is the process by which it can be taken down? Can Bedford go back to the court and on the basis of their last ruling ask for a summary judgment on this new legislation? Since the govt claims the goal of this bill is to stop exploitation, and it can be easilt shown on the basis of the last challange it endangers them, what is the earliest the supreme court can review and thrash this?
Once it passes into law it can be appealed. We all know how long that will take, don't we.
 

james t kirk

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Sadly I think you're moving to our model, which is the wrong direction. In fairness, Democrats down here favor outlawing prostitution as well - not a lot of political empathy on either side for horny rich guys. Would the other Canadian parties really have done anything different, what are the real polls (vs the nonsense online being posted here) on the topic on Canada?

OTB
Hard to say.

The Reformers see this as legislating morality / prostitution = crime.

The Liberals and the NDP see it from the feminist Nazi point of view of women are victims of male chauvinism.

I think the liberals and the NDP would not have enacted such sweeping legislation with such outrageous (or absurd) penalties.

I'm all for protecting those under 18 and eliminating the nuisance of street walkers, however, that's about where it ends. I don't believe in the "woman as victim" or victims at all.
 

Nikki2

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I just don't understand how on earth they think they can possibly eliminate every single escort ad and website from the internet? Is this realistic?

From what I have read, they are interested in eliminating all the sites used by advertisers in the industry. The ones from outside Canada, could they be blocked? Kind of how Turkey blocked Twitter not that long ago.
 

james t kirk

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Not saying I'm happy about it, but to point out an important difference TERB is Canadian, Xhamster is not.
If I had to speculate a way around the moral majority law, as it relates to advertising on the internet.....

I would speculate that websites for Sex Workers in Canada could easily be hosted in European countries - Holland, Germany, etc. I see a great business opportunity for such things in Europe. Of course, it would cost the providers a lot more than what they are used to paying, but that's the way it goes.

That eliminates the possibility of their sites being shut down.

But it won't eliminate the danger if they get busted.

They will need to come up with a hell of a secure means of communication that simply cannot be traced. (And no, the 7-11 cell phone would not be untraceable.)
 
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