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Butler1000

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I really don't know. I don't know how much people know about Newsom.

Many voters will have a visceral reaction to California and its leader. Some might think California is an awesome, idyllic place. Others will think CA has crazy politics.

A shortened window might work to Newsom's charisma without getting bogged down on policy. The younger voters might be more inclined to vote for a younger man who relates to them.

There are so many variables. I haven't even mentioned the possibility that black voters particularly black females will stay home if they bypass Kamala.

The question for Dems is does Biden have a good chance of winning. If the answer is no, they have every reason to want to shake things up and start over. I suspect behind the scenes these debates are taking place amongst Democratic leaders and the Democratic Congressmen on the ticket in November.
Reports are the Biden camp is trying to move up the online coronation/rolecall before the convention to July 21st to nip any more talk in the bud. They are going to have to force him out unless the pressure hits next week when Washington Politicians return and can't avoid the press.

Polling also shows Trump slight lead in New Hampshire now. New states are coming into play.
 

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Reports are the Biden camp is trying to move up the online coronation/rolecall before the convention to July 21st to nip any more talk in the bud. They are going to have to force him out unless the pressure hits next week when Washington Politicians return and can't avoid the press.

Polling also shows Trump slight lead in New Hampshire now. New states are coming into play.
There will still be a convention in August so I think it's superfluous to think that a premature roll call ends all discussion/pressure to replace Biden.
 

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There will still be a convention in August so I think it's superfluous to think that a premature roll call ends all discussion/pressure to replace Biden.
It does because it's the official vote. He walks in the nominee. They moved it online in the first place to stifle a repeat of 1968.

But we shall see if the pressure hits next week. It's going to be tremendous. Any Democrat who claims on camera Biden is fine gets split screened with Biden's debate performance in commercials. And right now major ones are saying "Its Biden's decision". Which means they think he should step down.

Next three weeks are going to be a frenzy.
 

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But in the case of E. Jean Carrol he was not adjudicated as having committed "rape" as defined by that court, in that jurisdiction, in the facts of that case.
But hasn’t the judge said that you can call him a rapist and not be liable for slander?
isn’t this all that matters?
 
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It does because it's the official vote. He walks in the nominee. They moved it online in the first place to stifle a repeat of 1968.

But we shall see if the pressure hits next week. It's going to be tremendous. Any Democrat who claims on camera Biden is fine gets split screened with Biden's debate performance in commercials. And right now major ones are saying "Its Biden's decision". Which means they think he should step down.

Next three weeks are going to be a frenzy.
You're right. If they think that forcing an early public vote will lock the party into Biden, they might be in for a surprise. You have several hundred Democrats with their ass on the line in November who will be looking to distance themselves. Those Governors, Senators and House members have a lot of sway with their State delegations.

If they actually give Biden a confidence vote (nomination) now, I'm not sure why they can't have a no confidence vote in Chicago. Perhaps I'm oversimplifying it, but what the delegates giveth they can taketh away.

Whatever Biden's advisors and family think this will do seems very bizarre to me. We're not going to give you (fellow Democrats) a chance to have buyer's remorse. It says right on your primary voting receipt no returns!
 

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Biden was orange yesterday at his 4 minute announcement about the supreme court decision on immunity. LOL. First he enacts executive orders on the border like Trump did, had classified documents in his home which he admitted he knew he had just like Trump did and now he's orange just like Trump.
 

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You gonna listen to the judge or not?

While I don't take the (re-)reporting of an ad-rag spam page called "Business Insider" (or the Xitter shit) as gospel I did take the time to read Judge Kaplan's MEMORANDUM OPINION DENYING DEFENDANT’S RULE 59 MOTION.


And I stand corrected and enjoy that doing so further reinforces my personal feeling that Trump is an even more clearly dispicable POS sexual predator and does meet the definition of an adjudicated and common definition of a "rapist" .

From his opinion :

"The jury’s unanimous verdict in Carroll II was almost entirely in favor of Ms. Carroll. The only point on which Ms. Carroll did not prevail was whether she had proved that Mr. Trump had “raped” her within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penal Law – a section that provides that the label “rape” as used in criminal prosecutions in New York applies only to vaginal penetration by a penis. Forcible, unconsented-to penetration of the vagina or of other bodily orifices by fingers, other body parts, or other articles or materials is not called “rape” under the New York Penal Law. It instead is labeled “sexual abuse.”1
As is shown in the following notes, the definition of rape in the New York Penal Law is far narrower than the meaning of “rape” in common modern parlance, its definition in some dictionaries,2 in some federal and state criminal statutes,3 and elsewhere.4 The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was “raped” within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does
not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump “raped” her as many people commonly understand the word “rape.” Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.
So why does this matter? It matters because Mr. Trump now contends that the jury’s
$2 million compensatory damages award for Ms. Carroll’s sexual assault claim was excessive because the jury concluded that he had not “raped” Ms. Carroll.5 Its verdict, he says, could have been based upon no more than “groping of [Ms. Carroll’s] breasts through clothing or similar conduct, which is a far cry from rape.”6 And while Mr. Trump is right that a $2 million award for such groping alone could well be regarded as excessive, that undermines rather than supports his argument. His argument is entirely unpersuasive.
This jury did not award Ms. Carroll more than $2 million for groping her breasts through her clothing, wrongful as that might have been. There was no evidence at all of such behavior. Instead, the proof convincingly established, and the jury implicitly found, that Mr. Trump deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll’s vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain and long lasting emotional and psychological harm. Mr. Trump’s argument therefore ignores the bulk of the evidence at trial, misinterprets the jury’s verdict, and mistakenly focuses on the New York Penal Law definition of “rape” to the exclusion of the meaning of that word as it often is used in everyday life and of the evidence of what actually occurred between Ms. Carroll and Mr. Trump.
 
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While I don't take the (re-)reporting of an ad-rag spam page called "Business Insider" (or the Xitter shit) as gospel I did take the time to read Judge Kaplan's MEMORANDUM OPINION DENYING DEFENDANT’S RULE 59 MOTION.


And I stand corrected and enjoy that doing so further reinforces my personal feeling that Trump is an even more clearly dispicable POS sexual predator and does meet the definition of an adjudicated and common definition of a "rapist" .

From his opinion :

"The jury’s unanimous verdict in Carroll II was almost entirely in favor of Ms. Carroll. The only point on which Ms. Carroll did not prevail was whether she had proved that Mr. Trump had “raped” her within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penal Law – a section that provides that the label “rape” as used in criminal prosecutions in New York applies only to vaginal penetration by a penis. Forcible, unconsented-to penetration of the vagina or of other bodily orifices by fingers, other body parts, or other articles or materials is not called “rape” under the New York Penal Law. It instead is labeled “sexual abuse.”1
As is shown in the following notes, the definition of rape in the New York Penal Law is far narrower than the meaning of “rape” in common modern parlance, its definition in some dictionaries,2 in some federal and state criminal statutes,3 and elsewhere.4 The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was “raped” within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does
not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump “raped” her as many people commonly understand the word “rape.” Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.
So why does this matter? It matters because Mr. Trump now contends that the jury’s
$2 million compensatory damages award for Ms. Carroll’s sexual assault claim was excessive because the jury concluded that he had not “raped” Ms. Carroll.5 Its verdict, he says, could have been based upon no more than “groping of [Ms. Carroll’s] breasts through clothing or similar conduct, which is a far cry from rape.”6 And while Mr. Trump is right that a $2 million award for such groping alone could well be regarded as excessive, that undermines rather than supports his argument. His argument is entirely unpersuasive.
This jury did not award Ms. Carroll more than $2 million for groping her breasts through her clothing, wrongful as that might have been. There was no evidence at all of such behavior. Instead, the proof convincingly established, and the jury implicitly found, that Mr. Trump deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll’s vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain and long lasting emotional and psychological harm. Mr. Trump’s argument therefore ignores the bulk of the evidence at trial, misinterprets the jury’s verdict, and mistakenly focuses on the New York Penal Law definition of “rape” to the exclusion of the meaning of that word as it often is used in everyday life and of the evidence of what actually occurred between Ms. Carroll and Mr. Trump.
We have been hearing all these legal discussions for a year. It's not lost on most of us that many here don't want to talk about the debate.

The only things anyone can really know is Trump lost a civil sexual assault case from 27 years prior when NY State recently eliminated the Statute of Limitation on civil cases of this nature. (Any arguments?). Lastly, there was no way for the plaintiff to prove that the defendant and herself were in the same location on the same day. We don't even know what day this occurred.

We can torture the language of the law to make this whatever with a political axe to grind wants. I am a man and I am still concerned about how the law is applied in cases like this between a man and a woman. Some of us have been for several years. Probably just as important, this was not the magic arrow that Democrats were looking for with most voters.
 
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While I don't take the (re-)reporting of an ad-rag spam page called "Business Insider" (or the Xitter shit) as gospel I did take the time to read Judge Kaplan's MEMORANDUM OPINION DENYING DEFENDANT’S RULE 59 MOTION.


And I stand corrected and enjoy that doing so further reinforces my personal feeling that Trump is an even more clearly dispicable POS sexual predator and does meet the definition of an adjudicated and common definition of a "rapist" .

From his opinion :

"The jury’s unanimous verdict in Carroll II was almost entirely in favor of Ms. Carroll. The only point on which Ms. Carroll did not prevail was whether she had proved that Mr. Trump had “raped” her within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penal Law – a section that provides that the label “rape” as used in criminal prosecutions in New York applies only to vaginal penetration by a penis. Forcible, unconsented-to penetration of the vagina or of other bodily orifices by fingers, other body parts, or other articles or materials is not called “rape” under the New York Penal Law. It instead is labeled “sexual abuse.”1
As is shown in the following notes, the definition of rape in the New York Penal Law is far narrower than the meaning of “rape” in common modern parlance, its definition in some dictionaries,2 in some federal and state criminal statutes,3 and elsewhere.4 The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was “raped” within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does
not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump “raped” her as many people commonly understand the word “rape.” Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.
So why does this matter? It matters because Mr. Trump now contends that the jury’s
$2 million compensatory damages award for Ms. Carroll’s sexual assault claim was excessive because the jury concluded that he had not “raped” Ms. Carroll.5 Its verdict, he says, could have been based upon no more than “groping of [Ms. Carroll’s] breasts through clothing or similar conduct, which is a far cry from rape.”6 And while Mr. Trump is right that a $2 million award for such groping alone could well be regarded as excessive, that undermines rather than supports his argument. His argument is entirely unpersuasive.
This jury did not award Ms. Carroll more than $2 million for groping her breasts through her clothing, wrongful as that might have been. There was no evidence at all of such behavior. Instead, the proof convincingly established, and the jury implicitly found, that Mr. Trump deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll’s vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain and long lasting emotional and psychological harm. Mr. Trump’s argument therefore ignores the bulk of the evidence at trial, misinterprets the jury’s verdict, and mistakenly focuses on the New York Penal Law definition of “rape” to the exclusion of the meaning of that word as it often is used in everyday life and of the evidence of what actually occurred between Ms. Carroll and Mr. Trump.
The xitter is filled with both garbage and quick access to good sources.
Elon is a shitbag, as far as my extremist views go, but its still a place to get quick sources, if you're careful to check they are legit. Which I mostly do, but occasionally I miss xit.

But yes, the result is that is legally correct to label trump as a rapist.
 

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We have been hearing all these legal discussions for a year. It's not lost on most of us that many here don't want to talk about the debate.

The only things anyone can really know is Trump lost a civil sexual assault case from 27 years prior when NY State recently eliminated the Statute of Limitation on civil cases of this nature. (Any arguments?). Lastly, there was no way for the plaintiff to prove that the defendant and herself were in the same location on the same day. We don't even know what day this occurred.

We can torture the language of the law to make this whatever with a political axe to grind wants. I am a man and I am still concerned about how the law is applied in cases like this between a man and a woman. Some of us have been for several years. Probably just as important, this was not the magic arrow that Democrats were looking for with most voters.
Trump admitted to sexually assaulting women at his disposition and also in the infamous access Hollywood tape. Was he lying or was he confused because of his dementia ? An innocent man would have taken the stand and denied being there. Why didn't he take the stand ? Even OJ took the stand. If anyone was wrongly accused they would not sit back quietly
 
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While I don't take the (re-)reporting of an ad-rag spam page called "Business Insider" (or the Xitter shit) as gospel I did take the time to read Judge Kaplan's MEMORANDUM OPINION DENYING DEFENDANT’S RULE 59 MOTION.


And I stand corrected and enjoy that doing so further reinforces my personal feeling that Trump is an even more clearly dispicable POS sexual predator and does meet the definition of an adjudicated and common definition of a "rapist" .

From his opinion :

"The jury’s unanimous verdict in Carroll II was almost entirely in favor of Ms. Carroll. The only point on which Ms. Carroll did not prevail was whether she had proved that Mr. Trump had “raped” her within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penal Law – a section that provides that the label “rape” as used in criminal prosecutions in New York applies only to vaginal penetration by a penis. Forcible, unconsented-to penetration of the vagina or of other bodily orifices by fingers, other body parts, or other articles or materials is not called “rape” under the New York Penal Law. It instead is labeled “sexual abuse.”1
As is shown in the following notes, the definition of rape in the New York Penal Law is far narrower than the meaning of “rape” in common modern parlance, its definition in some dictionaries,2 in some federal and state criminal statutes,3 and elsewhere.4 The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was “raped” within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does
not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump “raped” her as many people commonly understand the word “rape.” Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.
So why does this matter? It matters because Mr. Trump now contends that the jury’s
$2 million compensatory damages award for Ms. Carroll’s sexual assault claim was excessive because the jury concluded that he had not “raped” Ms. Carroll.5 Its verdict, he says, could have been based upon no more than “groping of [Ms. Carroll’s] breasts through clothing or similar conduct, which is a far cry from rape.”6 And while Mr. Trump is right that a $2 million award for such groping alone could well be regarded as excessive, that undermines rather than supports his argument. His argument is entirely unpersuasive.
This jury did not award Ms. Carroll more than $2 million for groping her breasts through her clothing, wrongful as that might have been. There was no evidence at all of such behavior. Instead, the proof convincingly established, and the jury implicitly found, that Mr. Trump deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll’s vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain and long lasting emotional and psychological harm. Mr. Trump’s argument therefore ignores the bulk of the evidence at trial, misinterprets the jury’s verdict, and mistakenly focuses on the New York Penal Law definition of “rape” to the exclusion of the meaning of that word as it often is used in everyday life and of the evidence of what actually occurred between Ms. Carroll and Mr. Trump.
The only point on which Ms. Carroll did not prevail was whether she had proved that Mr. Trump had “raped” her within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penile Law
 
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I'm sure that there would have been dozens of loyal Goppers who would have financed Reade's lawsuit against Joe. Maybe she didn't feel confident?
The Statute of Limitations in the District of Columbia had been far exceeded. Reade's allegation involved an incident in 1993. Jean Carroll's case pertained to an incident recounted from 1995/1996 (exact date/year unknown).

Of course, Carroll revealed to the public her sexual assault in a 2019 book titled "What Do We Need Men For? A Modest Proposal". Click through below if interested in buying. I receive no commissions on your purchase.

https://www.amazon.com/What-Do-We-Need-Men/dp/1250215439
 
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Miranda Devine: “You don’t get to ask Joey a question if it’s a question he doesn’t want to answer.” So now we wait for the edited version of the George Stephanopoulos interview with Joey. You know Joey has the questions in advance because there is no way George won’t do whatever it takes to make Joey look sane, sound and sharp. Dems cheat at everything.
 

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The only point on which Ms. Carroll did not prevail was whether she had proved that Mr. Trump had “raped” her within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penile Law
Maybe rump should be put behind bars based on the Penile Code.
Time to look at those Epstein logs too.

My own penile code says 'no means no', don't stick it anywhere without consent.
 

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Ah, you are awake this morning. I just left it there, I didn't comment on if it was real, did I, Sherlock Legs?
Nah, you missed it cause you're not sharp enough 😂
 
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