Here's a Hamas leader speaking out against racism.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/n...ls-crimes-in-the-negev-reflect-growing-racism
Is that good enough for you?
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https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/n...ls-crimes-in-the-negev-reflect-growing-racism
Is that good enough for you?
No, actually, that response was nothing short of pathetic.Here's a Hamas leader speaking out against racism.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/n...ls-crimes-in-the-negev-reflect-growing-racism
Is that good enough for you?
I asked you for an example of a Hamas leader who has criticized the Jew-hatred among Palestinians.
You're the guy who claims there's evidence of a kinder, gentler Hamas (and goes so far as to accuse those who don't believe it of being "racist"). So please provide me with an example of a Hamas leader denouncing Jew hatred among Palestinians.
No, moron, it is a fact that Hamas has launched thousands of rockets at civilians.Of course that's what you believe.
I see.No, actually, that response was nothing short of pathetic.
I asked you for an example of a Hamas leader who has criticized the Jew-hatred among Palestinians.
You're the guy who claims there's evidence of a kinder, gentler Hamas (and goes so far as to accuse those who don't believe it of being "racist"). So please provide me with an example of a Hamas leader denouncing Jew hatred among Palestinians.
You are appearing to be racist and only willing to listen to posts that confirm your stereotypical views.
You refuse to call out racism on anyone except the Jewish people.
You seem to have no problem with racism against Palestinian's, just on the Jewish people.
Is that correct?
In 2014 Israel was the side that targeted and killed civilians.No, moron, it is a fact that Hamas has launched thousands of rockets at civilians.
Hamas killed almost entirely military while 70% of those killed in Gaza were civilians.
It's interesting that you have avoided commenting on Hamas comments.Here's a Hamas leader speaking out against racism.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/n...ls-crimes-in-the-negev-reflect-growing-racism
Is that good enough for you?
I can see Carter sitting in a room covered in posters calling for death to Israel and calling Jews apes and pigs, the Hamas charter open on the desk and the Hamas leadership telling Carter how misunderstood they are.
p.s. There are tons of media statements from Meshaal. From 2014 for example.
Asked point-blank if he would recognize Israel’s right to exist, Meshaal replied, “No.”
www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/h...ands-israel-gaza-occupation-article-1.1882771
Also from 2012
"Palestine is ours, from the river to the sea and from the south to the north. There will be no concession on an inch of the land," he told the crowd on his first visit to Gaza. "We will never recognise the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation and therefore there is no legitimacy for Israel, no matter how long it will take."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/08/hamas-gaza-palestine-khaled-meshaal-israel
If this guy represents 'moderates' within Hamas...
But sure, keep on blaming Israel and ignoring the Palestinians.
Nope, you are lying, Israel does not target civilians. Hamas on the other hand BRAGS about targeting civilians.In 2014 Israel was the side that targeted and killed civilians.
Next you will post one of your weak sauce links, some link to some article containing baseless accusation but no actual proof civilians were targeted. That is what you always do: make accusations, quote accusations, link to accusations. Never any proof.
Civilians got killed in 2014 because Hamas used them as human shields. Hamas is entirely to blame for every such death. We can prove Hamas fired from civilian areas including hospitals and schools, and not only empty ones, but from active hospitals. Yet you will defend that barbarism because they are your Jew killing heroes.
LMAO.I see.
You are appearing to be racist and only willing to listen to posts that confirm your stereotypical views.
You refuse to call out racism on anyone except the Jewish people.
You seem to have no problem with racism against Palestinian's, just on the Jewish people.
Is that correct?
You've been peddling the fairy tale that Hamas is "legitimately moving away" from its Jew-hating terrorism. Yet when I ask you to provide some evidence, you respond by calling me a racist.
Indeed, you're the guy who wanted to make the comparison with the protests about racism in Israel.
Let's try again. Netanyahu has denounced the racism that exists in Israel.
Now, it's your turn. Provide me with an example of a Hamas leader who has denounced the Jew hatred that is prevalent among Palestinians. Or, alternately, admit that you can't do it.
Nope, you are lying, Israel does not target civilians. Hamas on the other hand BRAGS about targeting civilians.
Next you will post one of your weak sauce links, some link to some article containing baseless accusation but no actual proof civilians were targeted. That is what you always do: make accusations, quote accusations, link to accusations. Never any proof.
Civilians got killed in 2014 because Hamas used them as human shields. Hamas is entirely to blame for every such death. We can prove Hamas fired from civilian areas including hospitals and schools, and not only empty ones, but from active hospitals. Yet you will defend that barbarism because they are your Jew killing heroes.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/daniel...y-mortar-fired-from-un-facility-ex-idf-chief/Civilian involvement in the next war, and perhaps an even higher death toll, was all but guaranteed, Gantz warned. “Let me tell you something,” he said. “It’s going to be worse next time.”
http://www.thenational.ae/world/mid...-israeli-soldiers-describe-gaza-war-brutality‘Whoever you see, you kill’, Israeli soldiers describe Gaza war brutality
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-doubt-on-legality-of-gaza-military-operationIsraeli soldiers cast doubt on legality of Gaza military tactics
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel...ack-civilians-because-they-deserve-it/5394525Israel Speaks: “We Purposefully Attack Civilians… Because They Deserve It”
http://www.unicef.org/oPt/UNICEF_oPt_PSS_Rapid_Assessment_2012.pdf
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/29/israel-gaza-infrastructure-blackouts-idf-civilianIsrael is finding it harder to deny targeting Gaza infrastructure
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/proof-israel-targeting-civilians-gaza.htmlUnited Nations, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch: Israel Is Targeting CIVILIANS In Gaza
http://www.wsj.com/articles/israeli-attacks-led-to-civilian-deaths-in-gaza-report-says-1430163324U.N. Says Israel Killed Civilians in Schools, Gazans Hid Arms
At least 44 civilians were killed, 227 injured at six U.N.-run schools during last summer’s conflict
http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/protective-edge
How's that for a start.
That's about 5 minutes of googling.
Would you like more?
This is a story about Hamas firing at Israel from UNRWA compounds. Hilarious. Thanks for proving your terror buddies are terrorists!
http://www.thenational.ae/world/mid...-israeli-soldiers-describe-gaza-war-brutality
It's dishonest of you to link multiple articles which are all really just links to one source, to pretend that there's more than one source. I will ignore all the duplicate links and respond when you finally quote the actual source.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel...ack-civilians-because-they-deserve-it/5394525
Global Research is not a credible source.
http://www.unicef.org/oPt/UNICEF_oPt_PSS_Rapid_Assessment_2012.pdf
This contains no allegation that civilians were targeted.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/29/israel-gaza-infrastructure-blackouts-idf-civilian
This contains no allegation that civilians were targeted.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/proof-israel-targeting-civilians-gaza.html
This alleges that civilians were targeted but only on the basis that some died, with no evidence whatsoever that they were actually targeted.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/israeli-attacks-led-to-civilian-deaths-in-gaza-report-says-1430163324
This contains no allegation that civilians were targeted.
http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/protective-edge
This complains about open rules of engagement that the US, Israel, Britain, Canada, etc., all use in areas that have been cleared of civilians, and in fact although the link is designed to malign Israel, it confirms once again that Israel warns civilians away from conflict areas in order to minimize casualties. Many of the soldiers are quoted totally out of context in the report, which ultimately contains no actual allegation of targeting civilians.
That's just dishonest. You didn't even bother to read the articles, you typed in some google search and then pasted the links without even reading them. Your first link was about Hamas targeting Israel, proving you didn't even read this stuff.That's about 5 minutes of googling.
You really are a pathetic clown. In future do not spew links you have not read, particularly when you are so ignorant about the subject matter, and so utterly filled with hate. You obviously just assumed those articles would say what you believe, didn't bother reading them, and it turns out they don't say what you believe. Most of them don't even contain allegations of targeting civilians, and most of the ones that do contain no evidence. The only one that is really news is the one I responded to in detail, which we had already discussed on another thread.
You really are pretty fucking pathetic if you think spewing a bunch of links you didn't even bother to read counts as "debating".
The first article includes claims from the IDF that the IDF previously retracted, as noted by the UN, true. But it also includes a claim by the IDF that the next time Israel attacks Gaza they will kill even more civilians.
I take it you have no issue with that.
Here's the first paragraph from the second article.
Now that we've established that credible reports have detailed allegations of Israel deliberately targeting civilians and you've presented no defence, we can move on.
Israel targets civilians.
I take it you have no issue with that.
Here's the first paragraph from the second article.
The Israeli military deliberately targeted Palestinian civilians and their homes during the Gaza war last year, according to a damning report detailing the actions of dozens of soldiers and officers.
Now that we've established that credible reports have detailed allegations of Israel deliberately targeting civilians and you've presented no defence, we can move on.
Israel targets civilians.
Stating that civilian casualties are likely in urban war is not stating that civilians will be targeted, liar.
As predicted you are link spamming garbage you googled and demanding the baseless allegations be proved wrong. The second article uses as its source another article already debunked.
The truly classic moment here that shows you didn't even read what you posted was the one that was a story about Hamas using a UNRWA hospital as a site to fire mortars at children...
As predicted you are link spamming garbage you googled and demanding the baseless allegations be proved wrong. The second article uses as its source another article already debunked.
The truly classic moment here that shows you didn't even read what you posted was the one that was a story about Hamas using a UNRWA hospital as a site to fire mortars at children...
He is stating that he thinks more civilians will be targeted and killed the next time Israel attacks Gaza.Stating that civilian casualties are likely in urban war is not stating that civilians will be targeted, liar.
Do you support targeting more civilians?Civilian involvement in the next war, and perhaps an even higher death toll, was all but guaranteed, Gantz warned. “Let me tell you something,” he said. “It’s going to be worse next time.”
How's the search going for a Hamas leader who has denounced the Jew hatred that is prevalent among Palestinians?That's about 5 minutes of googling.
Would you like more?
Your silence suggests to me that no such leader exists.
I guess that kills the fairytale that Hamas is "legitimately moving away" from its Jew-hating terrorism.
It is true that its hard to find anyone in Gaza who thinks favourably about Israelis.How's the search going for a Hamas leader who has denounced the Jew hatred that is prevalent among Palestinians?
Your silence suggests to me that no such leader exists.
I guess that kills the fairytale that Hamas is "legitimately moving away" from its Jew-hating terrorism.
But that's probably because Israel keeps bombing their homes and killing their children.
It doesn't do much for their popularity.
If you're really concerned about how much they are liked, you should suggest not killing children and destroying homes.
That would be a start.
No, liar, he isn't stating that. You are lying about what he said just like you lied about what Netanyahu said. You have added your words, not in his statement, to rewrite it into something he flat out didn't say.He is stating that he thinks more civilians will be targeted and killed the next time Israel attacks Gaza.
Stop lying.
So instead of showing Hamas denouncing racism, he justifies it.It is true that its hard to find anyone in Gaza who thinks favourably about Israelis.
But that's probably because Israel keeps bombing their homes and killing their children.
It doesn't do much for their popularity.
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And what you refuse to comment on; it isn't about "Israelis", Hamas repeatedly makes statements about Jews.
The Hamas agent you posted above sounded racist, but others have stated that they are fighting the occupiers.So instead of showing Hamas denouncing racism, he justifies it.
And what you refuse to comment on; it isn't about "Israelis", Hamas repeatedly makes statements about Jews.
Racism is bad, of course.
What do you think should be done with racist politicians?
And will you suggest the same punishment/censorship for racist politicians from any party, or is this just another veiled attempt promoting your own racism?
If you suggest a punishment, will you call for Israeli politicians who are racist to be subject to the same as Palestinians?
Lets be clear here.No, liar, he isn't stating that. You are lying about what he said just like you lied about what Netanyahu said. You have added your words, not in his statement, to rewrite it into something he flat out didn't say.
Stop lying.
The IDF general stated that he said more civilians would die the next time Israel decides to attack Gaza.
His IDF soldiers have stated that it is policy to target civilians, so clearly it is a correct statement to say he thinks more civilians will be targeted and killed the next time they attack.
That sound fairer to you?
It's even harder to find anyone in Hamas who will say anything at all about "Israelis," as that would be acknowledging Israel's existence. In the Hamas charter, there are only references to Jews and Zionists.It is true that its hard to find anyone in Gaza who thinks favourably about Israelis.
Nonetheless, we can at least agree that there is no evidence that any Hamas leader has ever denounced Jew hatred. Hamas is the same Jew-hating terrorist organization it has always been.
