They didn't have time to make a counter offer or fully respond to the offer before Olmert was kicked out on corruption charges and replaced by Netanyahu, who doesn't support the two state solution according to his father and the Likud party charter.
Bibi Wins, Two State Solution Dies?
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What you are dancing around and trying not to mention is that MONTHS went by with no reply from the Palestinians. They walked out of the talks without even responding to the offer.They didn't have time to make a counter offer or fully respond to the offer before Olmert was kicked out on corruption charges and replaced by Netanyahu, who doesn't support the two state solution according to his father and the Likud party charter.
In reality Abbas walked or because a deal was really there and he COULDN'T take it, because he doesn't control Gaza.
Still living in the past?What you are dancing around and trying not to mention is that MONTHS went by with no reply from the Palestinians. They walked out of the talks without even responding to the offer.
In reality Abbas walked or because a deal was really there and he COULDN'T take it, because he doesn't control Gaza.
It was a missed opportunity, perhaps the last one for the two state solution, but its in the past.
Time to move on and figure out how to end the violence.
Another Pol Pot moment.The only way the violence will end is to put an end to Hamas and other terrorist groups. After sixty years of racist aggression against Israel the Palestinians need to figure out that isn't going to work and try something different.
Your plan is to end the violence by killing all who oppose you?
The last time Israel tried to do what you are proposing they killed mostly civilians.Again you try to equate killing terrorists with killing innocent civilians. Do you think terrorists are innocent civilians?
Good thing the ICC will look into it and see if what you are proposing is a war crime or justified.
Because if Hamas is legitimately moving away from terrorism, then Israel's attack look really quite bad.
Its an if, of course, but fortunately the ICC and the UN will look into the matter.
They are not. They have shifted from terrorist bombings to terrorist rocket attacks, that is not a move away from terrorism at all, and they openly boast about targeting civilians.Because if Hamas is legitimately moving away from terrorism, then
The reason for their shift in tactics is because IDF built an effective wall that prevents them from carrying out operations inside Israel, so now they fire rockets over the wall instead.
They are openly committed to terror and atrocity and have not moved an inch.
Oh, man. That's funnier than your Jimmy Carter article.Because if Hamas is legitimately moving away from terrorism....
Next you'll be telling us that the KKK is legitimately moving away from racism.
I'm sure you feel that way, since it was only yesterday that you finally learned the details about the offers made to the Palestinians (assuming you actually read the links).Regardless, its pointless to debate the history....
So, now you're going down the same morally repulsive path as GoWest....its more important to discuss how to move forward with the one state situation, now that the two state solution is sadly done for.
Let's review that recent history that you're so quick to dismiss. The two-state solution hasn't been achieved because the Palestinians haven't been able to get past their Jew hatred and their fixation on killing Jews.
Apparently, you feel they should be rewarded for their fixation on killing Jews by giving them the one-state solution they desire.
Like it or not, many of us don't think the Palestinians' fixation on killing Jews should be rewarded. I suspect you don't really feel that way, either. Your problem is that since you're only starting to learn about this subject, you don't really understand the position you're putting forward.
Of course that's what you believe.They are not. They have shifted from terrorist bombings to terrorist rocket attacks, that is not a move away from terrorism at all, and they openly boast about targeting civilians.
The reason for their shift in tactics is because IDF built an effective wall that prevents them from carrying out operations inside Israel, so now they fire rockets over the wall instead.
They are openly committed to terror and atrocity and have not moved an inch.
Dogmatic/racist types like you never change their opinions, even when shown when they are wrong.
Its sad, but all I can do is keep showing you what's happening now and hope that eventually it sinks in.
You really should stop living in the past.
I've posted it before (including in this thread), but here's Hamas leader Osama Hamden explaining why Jews love to slaughter Christians:Its sad, but all I can do is keep showing you what's happening now and hope that eventually it sinks in.
You really should stop living in the past.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/...t-history-of-a-dangerous-myth/comment-page-3/
Hamden's remarks appeared on Al-Quds TV on July 28, 2014 -- not exactly ancient history.
Its interesting that you're posting this on a day just after major protests about racism in Israel.I've posted it before (including in this thread), but here's Hamas leader Osama Hamden explaining why Jews love to slaughter Christians:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/...t-history-of-a-dangerous-myth/comment-page-3/
Hamden's remarks appeared on Al-Quds TV on July 28, 2014 -- not exactly ancient history.
Are you only going to call out racists from Hamas, or are you also willing to call out racists in Israel?
Bullshit. You continually do.http://www.aljazeera.com/palestinepapers/2011/01/2011122112512844113.html
Regardless, its pointless to debate the history, its more important to discuss how to move forward with the one state situation, now that the two state solution is sadly done for.
As for the Two State solution, why do alleged Palestinian supporters like you keep insisting the solution is one they overwhelmingly opposed?
p.s. Abbas never made a proposal. All they discussed was some settlements. A peace offer is a major article that addresses all of the issues.
You mad ethis exact lying post once already. Abbas had months to comment or even hint he was interested.They didn't have time to make a counter offer or fully respond to the offer before Olmert was kicked out on corruption charges and replaced by Netanyahu, who doesn't support the two state solution according to his father and the Likud party charter.
As for the Two State solution, why do alleged Palestinian supporters like you keep insisting the solution is one they overwhelmingly opposed?
Because its the only one left.
Um, pot, kettle?...
Dogmatic/racist types like you never change their opinions, even when shown when they are wrong.....
You keep up your lies even after being shown how wrong you are.
One example is your claim that Israelis elected Netanyahu even though he only got 23% of the vote. All that allowed him was the first shot at forming a coalition, a task which he is failing and already required one extension.
You do realize that those protests were Israelis unhappy with their government right. You can hardly say that Israeli society is flawed when Israelis themselves are allowed to protest. Israeli people call out racists in Israel. The Palestinian people elected Hamas.Its interesting that you're posting this on a day just after major protests about racism in Israel.
Are you only going to call out racists from Hamas, or are you also willing to call out racists in Israel?
And another example is your calling Hamas' leader pro-peace despite statements like this which you've chosen to ignore....
Dogmatic/racist types like you never change their opinions, even when shown when they are wrong.
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I can see Carter sitting in a room covered in posters calling for death to Israel and calling Jews apes and pigs, the Hamas charter open on the desk and the Hamas leadership telling Carter how misunderstood they are.
p.s. There are tons of media statements from Meshaal. From 2014 for example.
Asked point-blank if he would recognize Israel’s right to exist, Meshaal replied, “No.”
www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/h...ands-israel-gaza-occupation-article-1.1882771
Also from 2012
"Palestine is ours, from the river to the sea and from the south to the north. There will be no concession on an inch of the land," he told the crowd on his first visit to Gaza. "We will never recognise the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation and therefore there is no legitimacy for Israel, no matter how long it will take."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/08/hamas-gaza-palestine-khaled-meshaal-israel
If this guy represents 'moderates' within Hamas...
But sure, keep on blaming Israel and ignoring the Palestinians.
That's only because you think it is an "impossible condition" for the Palestinians to accept a two state peace.Because its the only one left.
Not surprisingly, you missed the point.Its interesting that you're posting this on a day just after major protests about racism in Israel.
Are you only going to call out racists from Hamas, or are you also willing to call out racists in Israel?
Hamdan, a Hamas leader and an international spokesman for Hamas, made his comments last summer -- less than a year ago. It is preposterous to think Hamas has moved beyond the Jew hatred that is at the centre of its charter and its terrorist activities.
By the way, Netanyahu has called for an end to the racism that exists in Israel: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32580708.
Who are the prominent Hamas leaders who have called for an end to the Jew hatred among Palestinians? Certainly, that's not something that troubles Osama Hamden.
