Bibi Wins, Two State Solution Dies?

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But Netenyahu said Israel will never withdraw from west bank .
No he didn't. You are just blatantly lying. He never said that.

Even if Netanyahu had said that, which he didn't, his opinion is irrelevant. Netanyahu doesn't decide such things.

You have been exposed telling this lie many times and every time you tell this lie you reveal yourself to be a bigot.
 

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He said there will be no palestinian state, therefore Israel will never withdraw from the west bank. So we aren't talking about military occupation because it's permanent and not temporary.
No, he did not say that. You are BLATANTLY lying. It has been pointed out to you MANY times what he actually said, and yet you keep on lying -- when you know full well that is not what he said.

And you continue to ignore this: [size=+3]Netanyahu does not decide whether or not there will be a Palestinian state, it is not up to him, his opinion is irrelevant.[/size]
 

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It's a violation of international law to revoke the citizenship of someone if he has no other citizenship.
They never had Israeli citizenship. Ever. In fact, they openly rejected Israeli citizenship and refused to recognize that Israel even existed, so it's not possible that they could have had citizenship in a country they weren't in that they refused to recognize.

The UN has set out conditions under which they could return and GAIN citizenship in Israel, but they have refused to abide those terms. So as of now they have never had Israeli citizenship and they have in fact refused it.
 

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Anyone who is present in a certain territory the day a new state declares its independence gets automatically the citizenship of the new state.
They weren't present. The territory they were in when Israel declared independence wasn't occupied by Israel until 20 years later.
 

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I'm talking about the ones deported in 1948
And I am telling you that they were not present in Israel when Israel declared independence. Note that the borders of Israel changed dramatically in 48 and 49 due to the Arab war of aggression against Israel. Moreover they refused to recognized Israel and they to this day refuse to abide the conditions the UN set for their return. They have never been Israeli citizens and at least until the 1980s they refused to even recognize that Israeli citizenship even existed.
 

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The ones deported from Haifa were present in Israel the day it declared independence,
1. No they weren't, Haganah captured Haifa a month before independence

2. They left voluntarily they weren't deported, and their explicit (they wrote it down) reason for leaving was refusal to recognize Jewish / Haganah authority

Haganah promised (in writing) and Israel delivered full citizenship to those who chose to stay. There is a thriving Arab population in Haifa to this day.
 

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Half of Palestinian refugees left after Israel declared independence
You cited Haifa and you were proved wrong.

They were not present IN ISRAEL at the time Israel declared independence. Arabs who left AFTER that day were mostly leaving from territory NOT YET under Israeli control.

Specifically you deception is to claim that people who migrated out of areas not yet under Israeli control in May 48 should be counted as in Israel because the territory came under Israeli control later in 48 or 49, after they left.

also the fact that another half left before independence contradicts Israeli false claims that they followed a call by Arab leaders to evacuate
There is no doubt Arab leaders called on people to leave, in the case you mentioned, Haifa, we have written proof.
 

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As you can see from Moviefan comments he was suggesting to deport or ethnically cleanse the arabs in the west bank so that Israel keeps a jewish majority.
I suggested no such thing.

You said you wanted Israel to annex the West Bank, that it wasn't feasible for the Arabs to become citizens in Jordan, and that you agreed with Netanyahu that Israel must remain a Jewish state.

Taking all of your points into consideration, I asked you what would happen to the rest of the Arabs under your proposal. It was your proposal we were discussing, not mine. I have never called for Israel to annex the West Bank.

...those people are born in a territory controlled by Israel but kept stateless by Israel.
...so it's ok that a minority gets citizenship and keep the majority stateless so that they don't exceed 20%
Hmm. It seems like someone needs to be reminded -- yet again -- that the Palestinians were offered their own state and that they rejected those offers. No one is being "kept stateless."
 

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This is what it did in 1948 and the reason why nowadays it continues to deny those refugees deported in 1948 the right to return to their homes.
Another reason is that it's hard for israel to fence the arabs in east Jerusalem like it does with the ones in the west bank
Wow you keep making up crap. In 1950, Jews were 88% of the population. Now they are 75%. So where does this alleged 20% limit come from?
 

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On a more positive note, it seems the French think they have good chances of passing a UNSC resolution for peace. It includes the '67 lines with land swaps, a shared Jerusalem, just treatment for refugees, and the Palestinians recognizing Israel as a Jewish state.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4645117,00.html


Of course Abbas has already turned down those conditions several times so I doubt that even if it passes at the UN it will stop Abbas or Hamas.
 

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Another reason is that it's hard for israel to fence the arabs in east Jerusalem like it does with the ones in the west bank
If we are going to discuss that area, do you mind if we use its proper name? Much of that area you call East Jerusalem is called the Jewish Quarter. It puts things in perspective to recall that it is territory the Arabs ethnically cleansed in 48.
 

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Again after having lost the point you try and throw up sand by quibbling. Dozens of democracies have state religions, including Malaysia which is a democracy with Islam as the state religion.

Of course you have no reply to the fundamental point so you will simply run away from it. You don't actually object to democracies having state religions -- you object to Jews.
 

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It's a violation of international law to revoke the citizenship of someone if he has no other citizenship.
You cannot revoke the citizenship of someone who was never a citizen. You continue to embarrass yourself with idiotic statements which defy not only facts and history but all logic.
 

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I'm talking about the ones deported in 1948
That would apply to exactly zero people. No one was deported. Even if you are referring to those who fled or who were allegedly chased out that would apply to less than 10 of the Palestinians now alive a great many of whom have been kept in camps and denies any rights for 60 years by Lebanon, Jordan, Syria etc.
 

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Another reason is that it's hard for israel to fence the arabs in east Jerusalem like it does with the ones in the west bank
As usual you have it backwards The point of the security wall is not to keep the Palestinians in it is to keep them out. Not unlike the borders that virtually every country maintains.
 

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Another evidence that your claims regarding Palestinians and Arabs who according to you want to ethnically cleanse jews are wrong: There are 1.5 million Arabs living among jews in Israel and they aren't murdering their Jewish neighbours everyday. So you're only anti arab racist who falsely argues that arabs and Palestinians are bloodthirsty murderers. .
Israeli security forces are strong and pervasive enough to maintain law and order and prevent Palestinians inside Israel from forming militias like Hamas. That would certainly change if Israel were an Arab majority state.

Ethnic cleansing requires an organized militia, like Fatah, Hamas, etc.
 

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So why Israeli which is strong failed to maintain law and order in West Bank and Gaza ?
Israel isn't present in Gaza and in the West Bank law and order is a Palestinian Authority responsibility. So your question really should be why have Hamas and Fatah failed to prevent attacks on Jews?
 
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