Bear Vrs Man debate on SM

[Jenesis]

That would still amount to less than 1 man per 10 men, or close to 1 man per 10, if you were to do that average, which would again make the bear choice unreasonable.

You are not understanding at all. Do you understand collective experience? Maybe I am using the word wrong.

When 9 out of 10 women have a negative sexual misconduct interaction with that 1 in 10 men, you now have the majority of women experiencing a situation collectively. We see 9 out of 10 women, not 1 in 10 guys. Because 90% of our peers have had a negative experience.

Now you have 10 women in the woods hiking and only one experienced a bear attack. For the rest of the women, the bear ran away. So collectively - the bear is not unreasonable.

You guys ALL assume the bear is going ti attack. Most bears don’t when you encounter them in the woods. You guys ALL assume women are talking about experience with male strangers. How many women and young girls are hurt sexually or physically by daddy, by uncles, by male friends of the family, by male friends themselves, by BF or husbands. You orget about the amount of domestic violence women endure in thousands of cases. It is not just 1 in 10 men.

We are not talking stranger rapist vrs man eating bears. We are talking just men in general and bears in general.

In general and in our collective experience as women as a whole - men are not safe. Men are not all dangerous but men in general / are not safe. We can’t trust our safety in your hands. That is the point many women are making in these videos that are going right over the heads of most men.

Example of not dangerous but not safe. Reporting a sexual assault to police. The police are not dangerous but they sure don’t make you feel safe when they are interrogating you about your sexual experience and asking about your outfit and how much you had to drink and all the other implications that they make upon your blame in the situation. One major line in the reasons women pick the bear, “people will believe you when you say you were attracted by a bear but not by a man”.

Safety comes in all forms for women. Not just physical.

 

[Butler1000]

You are not understanding at all. Do you understand collective experience? Maybe I am using the word wrong.

When 9 out of 10 women have a negative sexual misconduct interaction with that 1 in 10 men, you now have the majority of women experiencing a situation collectively. We see 9 out of 10 women, not 1 in 10 guys. Because 90% of our peers have had a negative experience.

Now you have 10 women in the woods hiking and only one experienced a bear attack. For the rest of the women, the bear ran away. So collectively - the bear is not unreasonable.

You guys ALL assume the bear is going ti attack. Most bears don’t when you encounter them in the woods. You guys ALL assume women are talking about experience with male strangers. How many women and young girls are hurt sexually or physically by daddy, by uncles, by male friends of the family, by male friends themselves, by BF or husbands. You orget about the amount of domestic violence women endure in thousands of cases. It is not just 1 in 10 men.

We are not talking stranger rapist vrs man eating bears. We are talking just men in general and bears in general.

In general and in our collective experience as women as a whole - men are not safe. Men are not all dangerous but men in general / are not safe. We can’t trust our safety in your hands. That is the point many women are making in these videos that are going right over the heads of most men.

Example of not dangerous but not safe. Reporting a sexual assault to police. The police are not dangerous but they sure don’t make you feel safe when they are interrogating you about your sexual experience and asking about your outfit and how much you had to drink and all the other implications that they make upon your blame in the situation. One major line in the reasons women pick the bear, “people will believe you when you say you were attracted by a bear but not by a man”.

Safety comes in all forms for women. Not just physical.

You really need to spend about a month in Afghanistan to see what unsafe actually means.

 

[Butler1000]

 

[Jenesis]

You really need to spend about a month in Afghanistan to see what unsafe actually means.

I’m sorry - are you just further proving the point? What is unsafe over there? Rape, murder, beatings, war, etc? Are those things being perpetrated by mostly men or women or bears in Afghanistan?????

What a silly comment to try and downplay the collective experience of western women. All while proving the point further regarding the violence men will perpetrate on women, children, and other men. Brilliant post. Thank you.

 

[Butler1000]

I’m sorry - are you just further proving the point? What is unsafe over there? Rape, murder, beatings, war, etc? Are those things being perpetrated by mostly men or women or bears in Afghanistan?????

What a silly comment to try and downplay the collective experience of western women. All while proving the point further regarding the violence men will perpetrate on women, children, and other men. Brilliant post. Thank you.

No, what it means is in theory at any time Men can collectively choose to remove all your equal rights, and there wouldn't be a damn thing you could do about it. The example of Afghanistan is that can happen.

Now look at the West where it is in fact men who agreed you have equal rights, and help enforce those equal rights on the now small minority of idiots. It is also men who keep the infrastructure of Western society running. We are the builders, the garbage men, the overnight truck drivers, the tradespeople, the majority of first responders, the miners, oil riggers, ships crews, and miriad other dank, dangerous and thankless jobs. We are far more likely to go to war with conviction to protect the vulnerable than to exploit them. And we are just as much victims of the patriarchy as any women, who are also the willing wives and daughters of the 1% elite. 97% of workplace deaths are men. We live shorter lives dying if horrible environmental diseases to keep all this shit running.

And in return we are told constantly its not enough, we are all bad, we are not needed. We are to be feared. Do you really think a modern society could actually function if we were that bad?

We aren't. So stop bitching. Hold individuals responsible for individual acts. Because I refuse to accept guilt for the transgressions and bad acts of others when I support and protect as a rule in my life. And understand as a matter of history your gender has never had it better, and is continuing to get even better.

 

[Jenesis]

No, what it means is in theory at any time Men can collectively choose to remove all your equal rights, and there wouldn't be a damn thing you could do about it. The example of Afghanistan is that can happen.

Now look at the West where it is in fact men who agreed you have equal rights, and help enforce those equal rights on the now small minority of idiots. It is also men who keep the infrastructure of Western society running. We are the builders, the garbage men, the overnight truck drivers, the tradespeople, the majority of first responders, the miners, oil riggers, ships crews, and miriad other dank, dangerous and thankless jobs. We are far more likely to go to war with conviction to protect the vulnerable than to exploit them. And we are just as much victims of the patriarchy as any women, who are also the willing wives and daughters of the 1% elite. 97% of workplace deaths are men. We live shorter lives dying if horrible environmental diseases to keep all this shit running.

And in return we are told constantly its not enough, we are all bad, we are not needed. We are to be feared. Do you really think a modern society could actually function if we were that bad?

We aren't. So stop bitching. Hold individuals responsible for individual acts. Because I refuse to accept guilt for the transgressions and bad acts of others when I support and protect as a rule in my life. And understand as a matter of history your gender has never had it better, and is continuing to get even better.

Well now. Feel better that you got all that big bad emotion out????? That was a whole big rant. LOL.

Thank you for ALLOWING us to have equal rights and keep us under threat of being able to take them away. That feels real safe. We don’t deserve equal rights, you as men just allow us to have them. Thanks. That is what you basically said with that first paragraph said. Again, further proving the point about safety.

The rest of rant I will leave alone because you’re clearly having your time of the month and just need to get out a good cry.

 

[Butler1000]

Well now. Feel better that you got all that big bad emotion out????? That was a whole big rant. LOL.

Thank you for ALLOWING us to have equal rights and keep us under threat of being able to take them away. That feels real safe. We don’t deserve equal rights, you as men just allow us to have them. Thanks. That is what you basically said with that first paragraph said. Again, further proving the point about safety.

The rest of rant I will leave alone because you’re clearly having your time of the month and just need to get out a good cry.

See, you don't get it. We do want you to be equal. You do deserve equal rights. And we will stand with you and ensure those rights from misogynistic idiots. And what do you do....

YOU POKE THE BEAR.

As to the rest, your pathetic emasculation attempt doesn't look good on you. What's next, a homophobic reference too? This is exactly what I'm talking about. It has been my experience that some women, who claim they want men to express their feelings, in fact don't care what they are, and instead want to invalidate them so they can tell them what they should be.

Or mock them. Like you just did. And hate being held accountable when they are called out for it, just like I did.

Feel free to keep telling on yourself to the board.

 

[Bucktee]

Men have bad experiences with other men all the time.

Men are much more likely than women to be the victim of violent crime perpetrated by another men.

We don't walk around in fear and paranoia.

What a way to live.

 

[Jenesis]

See, you don't get it. We do want you to be equal. You do deserve equal rights. And we will stand with you and ensure those rights from misogynistic idiots. And what do you do....

YOU POKE THE BEAR.

As to the rest, your pathetic emasculation attempt doesn't look good on you. What's next, a homophobic reference too? This is exactly what I'm talking about. It has been my experience that some women, who claim they want men to express their feelings, in fact don't care what they are, and instead want to invalidate them so they can tell them what they should be.

Or mock them. Like you just did. And hate being held accountable when they are called out for it, just like I did.

Feel free to keep telling on yourself to the board.

Yup. I mocked you. The same way women everyday are mocked for having a period and blaming their legitimate emotional concerns on that period. I have no issues with doing that. We are not allowed to express our feelings either. It’s all about equality right?!?

Anyway, looks like I have a matter of serious importance to deal with today so I will be heading off line. Keep feeling sorry for yourself in this debate.

 

[hemiman]

No, what it means is in theory at any time Men can collectively choose to remove all your equal rights, and there wouldn't be a damn thing you could do about it. The example of Afghanistan is that can happen.

Now look at the West where it is in fact men who agreed you have equal rights, and help enforce those equal rights on the now small minority of idiots. It is also men who keep the infrastructure of Western society running. We are the builders, the garbage men, the overnight truck drivers, the tradespeople, the majority of first responders, the miners, oil riggers, ships crews, and miriad other dank, dangerous and thankless jobs. We are far more likely to go to war with conviction to protect the vulnerable than to exploit them. And we are just as much victims of the patriarchy as any women, who are also the willing wives and daughters of the 1% elite. 97% of workplace deaths are men. We live shorter lives dying if horrible environmental diseases to keep all this shit running.

And in return we are told constantly its not enough, we are all bad, we are not needed. We are to be feared. Do you really think a modern society could actually function if we were that bad?

We aren't. So stop bitching. Hold individuals responsible for individual acts. Because I refuse to accept guilt for the transgressions and bad acts of others when I support and protect as a rule in my life. And understand as a matter of history your gender has never had it better, and is continuing to get even better.

Yet they will still complain about how hard they have it.

See, you don't get it. We do want you to be equal. You do deserve equal rights. And we will stand with you and ensure those rights from misogynistic idiots. And what do you do....

YOU POKE THE BEAR.

As to the rest, your pathetic emasculation attempt doesn't look good on you. What's next, a homophobic reference too? This is exactly what I'm talking about. It has been my experience that some women, who claim they want men to express their feelings, in fact don't care what they are, and instead want to invalidate them so they can tell them what they should be.

Or mock them. Like you just did. And hate being held accountable when they are called out for it, just like I did.

Feel free to keep telling on yourself to the board.

This site operates much better when you have her set to "ignore"

 

[Butler1000]

Yup. I mocked you. The same way women everyday are mocked for having a period and blaming their legitimate emotional concerns on that period. I have no issues with doing that. We are not allowed to express our feelings either. It’s all about equality right?!?

Anyway, looks like I have a matter of serious importance to deal with today so I will be heading off line. Keep feeling sorry for yourself in this debate.

Amazing......

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Amazing......

Another mic drop.

 

[Insidious Von]

It's a non starter.

What woman wouldn't want The Boss as their mate. They may not have a brain in the morning but he's good in bed.

Banff's national treasure.

 

[JuanGoodman]

a lot of women who claim that they have been assaulted by their partner have made bad choices to be with a "bad boy" and expect that somehow he will never be bad with them

the result of this survey just illustrates the problem of some women making bad choices by preferring to meet a bear in the wild over a man and somehow think that that would be safer for them

 

[xix]

Both genders make bad decision from the choices they have. Is it Ego, Pride, (7 sins) which branches to many things.

In the end if you can't take accountability because of your Ego or Manic depression why blame the humble people?

Simply FEAR. The women who have chosen Bear, there is some trauma in them. They don't want to deal with it (Truth), it is fine by me but why blame the humble people?

The question to me is an insight to our society. It helps me make a better decision and what to look for when I date. Red Flag.

Was the same question given to men?

 

[mandrill]

Both genders make bad decision from the choices they have. Is it Ego, Pride, (7 sins) which branches to many things.

In the end if you can't take accountability because of your Ego or Manic depression why blame the humble people?

Simply FEAR. The women who have chosen Bear, there is some trauma in them. They don't want to deal with it (Truth), it is fine by me but why blame the humble people?

The question to me is an insight to our society. It helps me make a better decision and what to look for when I date. Red Flag.

Was the same question given to men?

The bear is a subconscious substitute for a parent figure that the woman must please to avoid being hurt.

It's a product of the large # of broken families in this day and age.

 

[Deviant]

Jen, the apropos meme below proves your point.

 

[Valcazar]

Feel free to keep telling on yourself to the board.

You might want to look in a mirror.

 

[Butler1000]

You might want to look in a mirror.

And yet you continue to be one of my biggest fans.

 

[Valcazar]

And yet you continue to be one of my biggest fans.

I am.
You are one of the more entertaining things on the board.