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[John Henry]

What about an american moving from mainland US to Alaska and need to cross canadian territory ? He's only transiting Canada and not coming for hunting or going to a canadian club.

He still needs the proper paper work.

http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=hunting.transportguns

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rightsandfreedoms/a/gunstocanada.htm

For crying out loud GoWest , just google your questions and you'll find all of the information that you need . Any gun that is prohibited in Canada such as a hand gun that has a barrel shorter than 4.1 inches ( not sure if that is the exact length but it is somewhere around there ) is not allowed at all in Canada . Just like the magazines that hold more than 10 bullets are not allowed . They must be pinned to 10 shells . Then once you are in Alaska you can unpin them to hold more bullets .

Instead of going through the bullshit of applying and doing the paper work many Americans just ship their guns by UPS or something like that to where they are staying and pick up their stuff when they get there . US state to US state . No big deal .

Ever see the show called Gold Rush when they first went to Alaska . They shipped their guns and supplies by boat to Alaska and drove through Canada to get themselves to Alaska .

 

[basketcase]

Right. But you said coyotes are no threat, and you are wrong (again). While coyotes attacks are extremely rare, they do happen.

There are also whats known as Coywolves now, and they are much bigger than regular coyotes, and an accident waiting to happen

Considering the wolves in Ontario aren't much bigger than a coyote, I'm not too worried. More of a risk from a coyote mating with a large domesticated dog.

 

[basketcase]

Laws be damned ... You got that right . A person has a right to protect themselves , their families and their property in anyway that they can no matter what any stupid law says . Better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6 ....

So now instead of the Canadian gun laws which you said you are okay with, you now support anyone carrying a gun everywhere?

Sounds like a tad of paranoia. Having lived nearly my whole life in "inner city" Toronto and spent a lot of time in remote woods, I have never felt that I needed a weapon to defend myself.

 

[John Henry]

So now instead of the Canadian gun laws which you said you are okay with, you now support anyone carrying a gun everywhere?

Sounds like a tad of paranoia. Having lived nearly my whole life in "inner city" Toronto and spent a lot of time in remote woods, I have never felt that I needed a weapon to defend myself.

Where on this earth did I say that it's OK for anyone to carry a gun anywhere. The only place that I said was in the Northern Bush . Not in any city . Where are you reading this . As for protecting yourself in your home , yes if have a gun and need to use it . What you think a person being attacked in their home can't use a gun to defend themselves or their family from being attacked . Sure you may get charged and go to court but no court is going to find you guilty if you protecting yourself . As for people carrying guns in the city. Yes they can . Check the laws . They will get stopped that's for sure but a person can carry a shot gun or a rifle in a case anywhere in the city . No law at all that says you can't do this . It is perfectly legal to carry a shotgun or a rifle in a case in down town Toronto . Check the laws if you wish to .

The fellow mentioned bear spray . His wife has it to use if need be . To hell with the law . Would you have a female defend herself when being attacked or would you have her follow the letter of the law and get injured . That's the point that I was making . Did you not see that .

Don't tell me about the laws . I follow the laws but if need be I will break the law to defend myself. I think anyone would do the same . What just let the person attack me but I can't break a law to defend myself . What part do you not understand , judged by 12 or carried by 6 . What would you choose

Tad of paranoia ... In your mind sunshine for you not know what you are talking about . Learn to read exactly what a person is saying , not read what you think a person is saying . Some people just can't see the forest because of the trees .WOW

Go into the bush without any protection at all . What the hell do I care what you do . All I know is that the locals up North have some kind of protection . They live in the area . They are not some city slicker who thinks that he knows everything about the bush because he happens to spend a few weeks in the bush once in a while.

 

[John Henry]

But you previously said that Canadian law allows you to keep a handgun at home only for the purpose of using in a shooting club because those clubs cannot supply handguns, but not for the purpose of protecting your family.

That is correct . You cannot buy a handgun for self protection . That's why the store will ask you what gun club you belong to . That paperwork is sent to the RCMP. If you do not belong to a registered gun club then they can ask you what the heck you want a handgun for . You can't shoot it on your property or use it to hunt with so why a handgun . Now if your a registered owner of a handgun then there is nothing to stop you from protecting yourself with it. You use what ever you have to protect yourself and if that means a handgun then so be it . Now don't go telling me that it is against the law to use your hand gun to protect yourself in your home because I'm not going there .

In some US states, using guns against people trespassing your backyard is considered self defense. So if you get lost or having trouble finding directions and by accident walked on someone's else property and get shot, the owner would be cleared in those states courts

Simple , if your lost in the States then don't trespass on someone's property if your afraid that you might get shot.

 

[cunning linguist]

What about an american moving from mainland US to Alaska and need to cross canadian territory ? He's only transiting Canada and not coming for hunting or going to a canadian club.

Form "CAFC 909" it's a temporary import permit; $25, 60 day time limit, the exact same permit that allows them to go hunting or shoot at a competition held in Canada.

 

[cunning linguist]

Sometimes you can't tell, there's no fence or sign or it's too dark,.You can go hiking in a national park which is next to a private property and find yourself there without even knowing

Simple, then don't act like a shithead when you approach someone's private property.

 

[basketcase]

Where on this earth did I say that it's OK for anyone to carry a gun anywhere. ....

Unless the quote below is a failed attempt at sarcasm...

This is your response to people carrying weapons for self defense against people despite Canadian laws.

Laws be damned ... You got that right . A person has a right to protect themselves , their families and their property in anyway that they can no matter what any stupid law says . Better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6 ....

Does "any way they can" somehow exclude guns?

 

[John Henry]

Sometimes you can't tell, there's no fence or sign or it's too dark,.You can go hiking in a national park which is next to a private property and find yourself there without even knowing

Here's one that will curl your toes . Americans are allowed to bring handguns in to their National Parks . Don't worry about getting shot trespassing on some ones property if your in a park , you just might be mistaken for a big ugly bear in the park and get shot that way . You just never know . LOL

Maybe it's time to invest in a good bullet proof vest .

 

[AK-47]

Here's one that will curl your toes . Americans are allowed to bring handguns in to their National Parks . Don't worry about getting shot trespassing on some ones property if your in a park , you just might be mistaken for a big ugly bear in the park and get shot that way . You just never know . LOL

Maybe it's time to invest in a good bullet proof vest

And dont go hunting with Dick Cheney

 

[John Henry]

Form "CAFC 909" it's a temporary import permit; $25, 60 day time limit, the exact same permit that allows them to go hunting or shoot at a competition held in Canada.

Some people who have that permit think that once they have it you just cross the border and not declare anything . Wrong , if you don't declare what you have (in guns when crossing ) even though you have that permit you are treated as a gun smuggler and your in deep doo doo .

 

[John Henry]

And dont go hunting with Dick Cheney

Now that's a funny one .:biggrin:

 

[AK-47]

Some people who have that permit think that once they have it you just cross the border and not declare anything . Wrong , if you don't declare what you have (in guns when crossing ) even though you have that permit you are treated as a gun smuggler and your in deep doo doo

This is very true, I watched this show on NatGeo called Border Security (or something like that). They showed this poor old American man, who looked the furthest thing from a criminal, getting arrested at BC border crossing for not declaring his handgun.

I think after a brief court appearance he got off with a fine, but his vacation was definitely somewhat ruined

 

[destillat]

This is very true, I watched this show on NatGeo called Border Security (or something like that). They showed this poor old American man, who looked the furthest thing from a criminal, getting arrested at BC border crossing for not declaring his handgun.

I think after a brief court appearance he got off with a fine, but his vacation was definitely somewhat ruined

It happens a lot on that show.

I saw one episode where a family (with two small children) took a wrong turn in Washington State. They were looking for a park, but ended up at the border.
They were packing... she had a handgun IN the baby stroller.
But they declared everything, so nothing happened... their guns were seized, unloaded, zip tied for safety and sent to the American side from them to claim on their way back into the US.

 

[John Henry]

This is very true, I watched this show on NatGeo called Border Security (or something like that). They showed this poor old American man, who looked the furthest thing from a criminal, getting arrested at BC border crossing for not declaring his handgun.

I think after a brief court appearance he got off with a fine, but his vacation was definitely somewhat ruined

I think I saw that episode . The guy was a US judge if I'm not mistaken .

Just to make a point here . The permit that I'm talking about is not the carry permit that US citizens have in the States . It's "CAFC 909 " permit that Cunning Linguist mentioned . Having that permit is not good enough . You must actually declare what you have ( guns ) with that permit when crossing .

 

[cunning linguist]

Some people who have that permit think that once they have it you just cross the border and not declare anything . Wrong , if you don't declare what you have (in guns when crossing ) even though you have that permit you are treated as a gun smuggler and your in deep doo doo .

The permit can serve as declaration, it should describe, in detail, with serial numbers, each and every single firearm being temporarily imported into Canada at the time of crossing. I don't think anyone who crosses mistakes it for a permit to import whatever they please into Canada.

 

[John Henry]

The permit can serve as declaration, it should describe, in detail, with serial numbers, each and every single firearm being temporarily imported into Canada at the time of crossing. I don't think anyone who crosses mistakes it for a permit to import whatever they please into Canada.

Yes you are correct . That permit is a declaration but you still have to actually to tell them that you have it and what your bringing across . You must do both things , tell them you have a permit and what you have when crossing . Failure to actually telling a border guard will nullify that permit .

Some people think that having that special permit is good enough and say nothing . It does happen . You must declare in person at the time along with having that permit .

This way the Feds will know that the permit is being used and that those guns have entered the country.

I don't think anyone who crosses mistakes it for a permit to import whatever they please into Canada.

Again you are correct . Those serial numbers of the guns must be on the permit . Only guns that are legal in Canada are permitted to be brought in to Canada . Anything with a short barrel such as a Saturday Night Special are not permitted . Same as the magazines that are brought across . They must be pinned to only hold 10 bullets for hand guns .

 

[cunning linguist]

Yes you are correct . That permit is a declaration but you still have to actually to tell them that you have it and what your bringing across . You must do both things , tell them you have a permit and what you have when crossing . Failure to actually telling a border guard will nullify that permit .

Some people think that having that special permit is good enough and say nothing . It does happen . You must declare in person at the time along with having that permit .

This way the Feds will know that the permit is being used and that those guns have entered the country.



Again you are correct . Those serial numbers of the guns must be on the permit . Only guns that are legal in Canada are permitted to be brought in to Canada . Anything with a short barrel such as a Saturday Night Special are not permitted . Same as the magazines that are brought across . They must be pinned to only hold 10 bullets for hand guns .

Showing an officer the permit is a declaration, there's nothing in the Customs Act that states that declarations have to be entirely verbal. Think about when you fly, how the flight attendants hand out those forms to fill out prior to landing. That is also a declaration. They may ask you questions, they may look at your shit, but a written declaration is still a declaration, is all I'm saying.

 

[fuji]

Met a guy who used to have a job manning the metal detector at the CN tower. He told me they would regularly take handguns off American tourists who had no idea they weren't supposed to conceal carry their guns in Canada.

 

[destillat]

Met a guy who used to have a job manning the metal detector at the CN tower. He told me they would regularly take handguns off American tourists who had no idea they weren't supposed to conceal carry their guns in Canada.

What was the outcome?
Would they get police involved, or just give the guns back after they left?