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[basketcase]

You are allowed to carry a gun in a national park....

In general not in Canada. There are exceptions for hunting permits where allowed and (as of 2011) for guides in polar bear country.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-81-401/page-2.html#h-9
http://www.pc.gc.ca/eng/nature/~/me...orizedtocarryanduseafirearmforprotection.ashx

 

[John Henry]

I don't know any national park that allows hunting. The purpose of establishing a national park is to protect the area from hunting, logging companies etc..

Here you go .

https://www.nps.gov/amis/planyourvisit/hunting.htm

And this

https://www.npca.org/articles/57-hunting-in-the-national-park-system

That's in the US where people can carry hand guns and other weapons of Mass Destruction .

Canadian National Parks . I don't hunt so I don't care . I camp on Crown Land and the only permit I pay is a fire permit which allows me to collect wood and have a fire .

Found this .. Hunting allowed in some Canadian National Parks . Oh my goodness

http://www.pc.gc.ca/eng/progs/np-pn/sf-fh/grosmorne/guide.aspx

And this

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/moose-hunting-starts-in-national-parks-1.1042466

 

[John Henry]

That was just an exception to reduce the population of Moose.As general rule national parks don't allow hunting

You said that you didn't know of any National Parks that allowed hunting . I gave you an example of one that does . Being the exception doesn't mean anything . The point is that it is allowed . Why is hunting allowed you might ask . To cull the herd because the moose are destroying the vegetation which other animals need . Not only that the moose are getting very aggressive .

Hunting is a good way of helping the species that are being hunted , taking care of the forest and saving other animals in that forest . Who would have guessed that hunting would be such a good thing for the wild animals . Interesting eh . I wonder what the anti-hunting groups would say about that . I'll bet they would still go to the grocery store and buy their meat . Gee I wonder how that meat got there in the store in the first place . Of course no animals were hurt because of meat was available in stores . LOL

In other words not allowing hunting in a National Park in Canada can be detrimental to many of the wild animals and to the land at times .

 

[basketcase]

I don't know any national park that allows hunting. The purpose of establishing a national park is to protect the area from hunting, logging companies etc..

There are. You could just read the source I gave but I know you aren't too interested in facts or accuracy.

 

[fuji]

That was just an exception to reduce the population of Moose.As general rule national parks don't allow hunting

More accurately, they manage hunting so that it contributes to the overall health of the park.

 

[fuji]

But why game meat isn't available in grocery stores ?

It's available in some grocery stores. People do eat it. It's just less common than pork/beef/chicken.

 

[fuji]

Great, could you give me a list of grocery stores where I can buy Moose and Bear meat ?
Thanks

North Country Meats in Thunder Bay.

 

[John Henry]

Great, could you give me a list of grocery stores where I can buy Moose and Bear meat ?
Thanks

http://www.whitecourtstar.com/2012/06/05/wild-meat-delicious-and-illegal-to-buy-and-sell-2

Forget it . It is illegal to buy and sell wild game in Canada . Even if you got that animal yourself legally you cannot sell the meat to anyone . Now someone could give some away to a friend but not sell . We used to give away a roast or something like that to the farmers in thanking them for using their land as a gesture but for money , no way.

Moose is good but kind of dry a meat . If making hamburgers you have to mix the moose meat with some pork or fatty hamburger meat . Moose steaks or roast , be careful or you will dry out the cut of meat . Bear is good but on the sweet side .

If you wish to try some wild game such as moose , venison or bear meat your gonna have to find a friend who hunts . Most hunters don't usefully give away the meat that they have . One , being you only get so much meat and it costs a lot of money to hunt . When you consider the costs of going hunting that meat can be pretty pricy per lb.

Just like fishing , I drive 1000k one way to go fishing every year . Only allowed to bring home 4 walleye at one time . Add up the cost of that trip and those fillets can be very pricey . Not going to give away any fish just to be a nice guy . LOL

North Country Meats in Thunder Bay.

They process the wild game ( that people have hunted ) like a butcher and make different cuts of meat for you . Roasts , steaks , chops , ground chuck and sausages .
No selling of wild game that has been hunted .

A few country butchers in my area will do the same .

 

[John Henry]

But why game meat isn't available in grocery stores ?

One reason is because it's illegal to sell . Another thing , hunting is a sport and away to put some wild game on the table for your family . Many people who go hunting don't get anything . It's not the actual kill that makes the hunt but the getting together with your buddies and having a great old time .

MNR only gives out a certain number of tags every year . Animal population goes down and the number of tags are cut back . More tags are available when the population goes up. Hunting is a lot of work . Shoot a big bull moose a mile from the road way in a swampy area and your working your ass off bringing that meat back to camp . Besides the price of the wild meat would be very high if were to be sold .

Then you have poachers who would go after the animals out of season . The bastards are doing that now so why give them more reason to do so.

 

[cunning linguist]

So what's the difference? In grocery store you buy a steak of beef, they don't sell you the whole beef. What's the difference buying a moose steak and a beef steak ?
PS: Steak is raw meat not processed meat like dry or smoked sausage

It's kind of like having your own garden; enjoying the proverbial fruits of your labour. It's not sold in stores because harvested wild game isn't inspected and approved by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency. It's not meant for commercial sale rather personal consumption.

 

[John Henry]

So what's the difference? In grocery store you buy a steak of beef, they don't sell you the whole beef. What's the difference buying a moose steak and a beef steak ?
PS: Steak is raw meat not processed meat like dry or smoked sausage

The difference is that there is no shortage of beef so you can buy what you want . The amount of wild game is limited and the government says that it's illegal to sell. In other words if you want to eat some wild game you need to take a gun course to get your PAL . Then you have to take a hunter safety course on top of that . Then you need to spend some money and buy a gun . Once that is done then you need to apply for a tag . By the way not everyone gets a moose tag in the area that they want to hunt in.

Then you need to take some time off from work and go to a lodge or a outfitter to go hunting or if your lucky you can make your own camp if you have your own stuff .

Hunting is a lot of work and costs lots of money . I agree that wild game should not be sold .

 

[John Henry]

It's kind of like having your own garden; enjoying the proverbial fruits of your labour. It's not sold in stores because harvested wild game isn't inspected and approved by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency. It's not meant for commercial sale rather personal consumption.

Exactly

 

[dirkd101]

On the contrary, hunters need to be cautious about hikers and campers. If you are shooting at anything that moves you ought not to have a gun.

Before you pull the trigger you been to be clear what your target is AND know what's behind your target. Not shoot without knowing where your round is going if you miss.

I am in agreement with you on this fuji, but it does not negate the fact that in the present, we have more people coming out during hunting seasons than those that did in the past and in the past, these people were educated enough to not venture off the beaten path and they wore visible clothing. The people that do choose to go out and mingle with nature during a hunting season should do so with with caution and should also wear hunter orange, the same legal minimum that hunters have to wear. Using your head during open seasons is not prevalent amongst city dwellers.

 

[fuji]

Sorry but hunters do not own the forest and people have ALWAYS gone hiking, camping, at all times of the year.

 

[John Henry]

A big moose or a bear would be too much meat for a small family, so if selling was allowed you could give out what was left to a local butcher.
Can you imagine how much meat you get with a bear that weighs half a ton ?

Yep , that's a lot of meat from a Kodiak brown bear or a grizzly bear . It can take years of waiting to get a tag to hunt one of those . Black bears in Ontario , average size around 300 to 500 lbs for the big males . That's meat for the winter maybe depending how much meat you eat .

Don't think that the local butcher would sell that meat if he could . Beef is very expensive these days so if he had extra wild meat he would probably keep it for himself ( family and friends ) .

Most people party hunt ( 3 hunters per 1 bull moose tag or cow tag ) so the meat is divided among the hunters in the group . I know of a group of 9 guys and lucky if they get 3 tags for all . It's not as if you have a hunting party of 6 and you go out and shoot 6 moose or 6 bear . It doesn't work that way .

 

[destillat]

I am in agreement with you on this fuji, but it does not negate the fact that in the present, we have more people coming out during hunting seasons than those that did in the past and in the past, these people were educated enough to not venture off the beaten path and they wore visible clothing. The people that do choose to go out and mingle with nature during a hunting season should do so with with caution and should also wear hunter orange, the same legal minimum that hunters have to wear. Using your head during open seasons is not prevalent amongst city dwellers.

So every time I go out for a hike or a camping trip I have to dress like a pylon?

 

[John Henry]

So every time I go out for a hike or a camping trip I have to dress like a pylon?

Only during hunting season and where hunting is allowed . Take for example turkey hunters . They sit very still and wear all camouflage clothing while hunting . Turkeys can see hunter orange . When they ( the hunter ) leave the bush on goes the hunter orange hat or vest .

Better to look weird with some hunter orange on than dead but in fashion .

 

[destillat]

Only during hunting season and where hunting is allowed . Take for example turkey hunters . They sit very still and wear all camouflage clothing while hunting . Turkeys can see hunter orange . When they ( the hunter ) leave the bush on goes the hunter orange hat or vest .

Better to look weird with some hunter orange on than dead but in fashion .

Then that prompts the question... how irresponsible are hunters?
Shooting at anything that moves without discrimination?
You'd think that the would be more responsible... forget humans, what about game that isn't in season? Hunters can get serious fines for killing animals they don't have a tag for.

Last time I checked:
1. No human I have ever met looks like a game animal.
2. I don't shoot firearms, but I am very familiar with bow and arrow... you never release until you are aiming at precisely what you intend to hit.

 

[AK-47]

No human I have ever met looks like a game animal

I'm pretty sure Terb has a few guys that could pass for Sasquatch

 

[destillat]

I'm pretty sure Terb has a few guys that could pass for Sasquatch

LOL... I may be one of them!
I guess I should figure out when Sasquatch season starts.