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Showing an officer the permit is a form of verbal declaration is it not . Here good officer this is what I have . A person has done both , paper and verbal .What part of showing your permit is not verbal . It's the same thing is it not . I'm talking about not making any verbal statement at all . Not notifying them of what you're bringing in. That paper means shit if you don't actually tell them because the Feds will not know that the guns have actually entered the country.Showing an officer the permit is a declaration, there's nothing in the Customs Act that states that declarations have to be entirely verbal. Think about when you fly, how the flight attendants hand out those forms to fill out prior to landing. That is also a declaration. They may ask you questions, they may look at your shit, but a written declaration is still a declaration, is all I'm saying.
An American can get the special permit and for some reason not use it . Customs don't care about that because you have not tried to enter the country with guns . Now if you follow through with that permit you must show them that permit . Showing them the paper work is being verbal as well is it not.
Some people will try to enter the country with a permit and guns and not say anything . That's a NO NO . If that happens then those guns will be able to be sold on the black market because no one will know that they have entered the country.
Think about how you fly ... The attendants are handing out forms for you to declare what you have PURCHASED so taxes can be paid once you enter the country . Not things that you have already owned before leaving the country .
You think a US citizen marks down a declaration about his or her guns when flying into Canada on that paper that the flight attendant is handing out . No why should he . He already owns the guns before entering the country . You think that he's gonna pay duties on his guns . NO . That's what the flight attendant form is . Declaring what you have to pay duties.
Buddy, I don't disagree with how you feel about guns, but you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to customs or the CAFC 909. The permit can be filled outside of Canada, but is just a piece of paper until a non-resident attempts to enter the country and an officer checks it and the firearms out. But, there is nowhere in the Customs Act that specifically stipulates that declarations have to be verbal, again, look at declarations at airports, which you also seem to misunderstand.Showing an officer the permit is a form of verbal declaration is it not . Here good officer this is what I have . A person has done both , paper and verbal .What part of showing your permit is not verbal . It's the same thing is it not . I'm talking about not making any verbal statement at all . Not notifying them of what you're bringing in. That paper means shit if you don't actually tell them because the Feds will not know that the guns have actually entered the country.
An American can get the special permit and for some reason not use it . Customs don't care about that because you have not tried to enter the country with guns . Now if you follow through with that permit you must show them that permit . Showing them the paper work is being verbal as well is it not.
Some people will try to enter the country with a permit and guns and not say anything . That's a NO NO . If that happens then those guns will be able to be sold on the black market because no one will know that they have entered the country.
Think about how you fly ... The attendants are handing out forms for you to declare what you have PURCHASED so taxes can be paid once you enter the country . Not things that you have already owned before leaving the country .
You think a US citizen marks down a declaration about his or her guns when flying into Canada on that paper that the flight attendant is handing out . No why should he . He already owns the guns before entering the country . You think that he's gonna pay duties on his guns . NO . That's what the flight attendant form is . Declaring what you have to pay duties.
The declaration card, which flight attendants hand out, have different sections based on the person's citizenship. Canadian residents, returning to Canada, declare purchased or acquired foreign goods. Non-residents must declare what they're bringing into the country because everything they bring into the country are foreign goods.
Read this for you know not what your talking about . A foreigner fills out the gun declaration and signs that gun declaration IN FRONT of a customs officer . That is making a verbal declaration along with the paper declaration . This is from the RCMP web site . A foreigner can fill out his application at any time but he signs it in front of a customs officer and he pays his $25. Got it . Signing that paper in front of a officer is making a verbal declaration . That paper means shit if he doesn't sign it in front of a customs officer . What do you not understand about a verbal declaration ???Buddy, I don't disagree with how you feel about guns, but you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to customs or the CAFC 909. The permit can be filled outside of Canada, but is just a piece of paper until a non-resident attempts to enter the country and an officer checks it and the firearms out. But, there is nowhere in the Customs Act that specifically stipulates that declarations have to be verbal, again, look at declarations at airports, which you also seem to misunderstand.
The declaration card, which flight attendants hand out, have different sections based on the person's citizenship. Canadian residents, returning to Canada, declare purchased or acquired foreign goods. Non-residents must declare what they're bringing into the country because everything they bring into the country are foreign goods.
A US citizen hands in that special paper work for the guns when he goes through customs . That paper work that a stewardess hands out is not a CAFC 909 form .
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/visit-visite-eng.htm
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/pdfs/5589-eng.pdf
I'm not arguing about this shit anymore .
I've found myself traveling after dark while canoeing or backpacking but after sharing a shelter in a US National Park with some armed people who were scared of the dark, it's something I only do in Canada now (and even then with a damn powerful headlamp). They had their hands on their holsters at practically every sound in the dark. Was sort of worried that my snoring would draw fire in the night.Here's one that will curl your toes . Americans are allowed to bring handguns in to their National Parks . Don't worry about getting shot trespassing on some ones property if your in a park , you just might be mistaken for a big ugly bear in the park and get shot that way . You just never know . LOL
Maybe it's time to invest in a good bullet proof vest .
What are you not understanding about writing not being a verbal form of communication?Read this for you know not what your talking about . A foreigner fills out the gun declaration and signs that gun declaration IN FRONT of a customs officer . That is making a verbal declaration along with the paper declaration . This is from the RCMP web site . A foreigner can fill out his application at any time but he signs it in front of a customs officer and he pays his $25. Got it . Signing that paper in front of a officer is making a verbal declaration . That paper means shit if he doesn't sign it in front of a customs officer . What do you not understand about a verbal declaration ???
A US citizen hands in that special paper work for the guns when he goes through customs . That paper work that a stewardess hands out is not a CAFC 909 form .
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/visit-visite-eng.htm
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/pdfs/5589-eng.pdf
I'm not arguing about this shit anymore .
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/verbalWhat are you not understanding about writing not being a verbal form of communication?
Need I say more . Verbal is spoken . Words out of your mouth . Look it up . Writing is not spoken , Geesh If you gave a note to someone would you say that you spoke to them ???? LOL
Yup I agree, verbal is spoken while a CAFC 909 is a written and sufficient declaration of firearms in and of itself. If a foreigner shows up at a border crossing, with a firearm which can be legally imported into Canada, having form CAFC 909 filled out but not signed, without uttering a single word, that is a valid declaration. There is absolutely nothing in the Customs Act stating that any verbal declaration has to take place whatsoever. Is it normal to have a completely non-verbal interaction with an officer? No. Is it illegal? No. If they were to charge someone, who filled out the proper paperwork and didn't possess any other firearms beside those declared, with smuggling just because they did not verbally communicate with the officer, it wouldn't even need to go to court to be appealed and overturned.http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/verbal
Need I say more . Verbal is spoken . Words out of your mouth . Look it up . Writing is not spoken , Geesh If you gave a note to someone would you say that you spoke to them ???? LOL
I dare anyone to walk up to a customs officer and not say one single word . You really think that that person is going to be let in without any kind of questioning of any kind . The customs act ,may not say a verbal response is needed but it is given that the person will answer questions when asked and you can bet they will be asked. So a verbal response is needed even though it's not written . Talk about being picky about what's written and what is not .Yup I agree, verbal is spoken while a CAFC 909 is a written and sufficient declaration of firearms in and of itself. If a foreigner shows up at a border crossing, with a firearm which can be legally imported into Canada, having form CAFC 909 filled out but not signed, without uttering a single word, that is a valid declaration. There is absolutely nothing in the Customs Act stating that any verbal declaration has to take place whatsoever. Is it normal to have a completely non-verbal interaction with an officer? No. Is it illegal? No. If they were to charge someone, who filled out the proper paperwork and didn't possess any other firearms beside those declared, with smuggling just because they did not verbally communicate with the officer, it wouldn't even need to go to court to be appealed and overturned.
If a person who filled out the paper work and did not possess any other firearm except the ones that were declared would not be charged with smuggling . Why should they . Did they speak to the custom official . Your darn right they did . Even if it's not so written in the Custom Act .
Glad to see that you now know the difference between verbal and written . A person will do both when entering Canada with guns . Period ...
I don't disagree that showing up the at the border usually involves verbal and written communication. However, I strongly disagree with this horseshit:I dare anyone to walk up to a customs officer and not say one single word . You really think that that person is going to be let in without any kind of questioning of any kind . The customs act ,may not say a verbal response is needed but it is given that the person will answer questions when asked and you can bet they will be asked. So a verbal response is needed even though it's not written . Talk about being picky about what's written and what is not .
If a person who filled out the paper work and did not possess any other firearm except the ones that were declared would not be charged with smuggling . Why should they . Did they speak to the custom official . Your darn right they did . Even if it's not so written in the Custom Act .
Glad to see that you now know the difference between verbal and written . A person will do both when entering Canada with guns . Period ...
It doesn't nullify anything, the declaration is already made when the permit is presented to the officer and as long as there are no discrepancies during verification, after paying the fee, it is approved. While it isn't as common to not say anything, it can happen...like at airports where a written declaration card is presented to CBSA officers on a regular basis. Think about what it would mean if a visitor had to adhere to strict guidelines on verbal declarations. Can you imagine the discrimination shit show that would ensue if someone who could not speak either of the official languages or was deaf-mute was denied entry into Canada, simply because they could not make a verbal declaration?Yes you are correct . That permit is a declaration but you still have to actually to tell them that you have it and what your bringing across . You must do both things , tell them you have a permit and what you have when crossing . Failure to actually telling a border guard will nullify that permit
Written declarations suffice, just as presenting a CAFC 909, which is a written declaration, suffices. Period.
Now, if you mean, someone just drove across the border without an officer inspecting and approving their CAFC 909, yes that's smuggling and without a dated stamp, the CAFC 909 is invalid.
This is Canada, not the US, we have different laws pertaining to guns.In some US states, using guns against people trespassing your backyard is considered self defense. So if you get lost or having trouble finding directions and by accident walked on someone's else property and get shot, the owner would be cleared in those states courts
Here's one that will curl your toes . Americans are allowed to bring handguns in to their National Parks . Don't worry about getting shot trespassing on some ones property if your in a park , you just might be mistaken for a big ugly bear in the park and get shot that way . You just never know . LOL
Maybe it's time to invest in a good bullet proof vest .
Another good reason to restrict access to guns
Take your views on gun control to the American's. Our laws are quite fine here.
Besides, separate the emotion from facts as this has nothing to do with Canada and Canadian gun laws. Your issue with firearms is quite evident and with the many questions you ask, not unlike any five year old who keeps on with the why question, you show a lack of any knowledge, showing nothing but an emotional response. No guns = no crime with guns. If it were only that simple.
There are many law abiding citizens in this country who enjoy hunting, target shooting, collecting and trappers who use firearms in their business. These people aren't the issue with regards to firearms and crime and restricting these people, making new laws governing these people isn't the answer. Get to the heart of the problem, the smuggling of illegal firearms, handguns, for criminal use is the problem. Crime and criminals, not doctor Tim out duck hunting and Suzy homemaker hunting deer or Jimmy the accountant skeet shooting.
Exactly . Couldn't have said it better myself . Well done .:canada:Take your views on gun control to the American's. Our laws are quite fine here.
Besides, separate the emotion from facts as this has nothing to do with Canada and Canadian gun laws. Your issue with firearms is quite evident and with the many questions you ask, not unlike any five year old who keeps on with the why question, you show a lack of any knowledge, showing nothing but an emotional response. No guns = no crime with guns. If it were only that simple.
There are many law abiding citizens in this country who enjoy hunting, target shooting, collecting and trappers who use firearms in their business. These people aren't the issue with regards to firearms and crime and restricting these people, making new laws governing these people isn't the answer. Get to the heart of the problem, the smuggling of illegal firearms, handguns, for criminal use is the problem. Crime and criminals, not doctor Tim out duck hunting and Suzy homemaker hunting deer or Jimmy the accountant skeet shooting.
Have you ever crossed the border in a car? How often do they search you?How did they allow them to cross the border with a handgun ?
You are allowed to carry a gun in a national park but only to defend yourself if attacked by wildlife. Depending where you go, a bear or wolf attack is certainly possible.I have no issue allowing guns for hunting or shooting clubs , I have an issue with carrying guns or keeping them at home for other purposes. Obviousily carrying a gun in a national park doesn't match those two criteria because hunting is usually not allowed in a national park and that makes sense to have separate designated areas for hiking ( national parks) and hunting ( usually crown land) so that hunters don't shoot hikers by mistake. Hikers who venture into crown land would do it at their own risks and tourist information doesn't advise hiking in crown land even when there's no law that prohibits hiking there
For simple hiking on cleared trails I'm sure bear spray is enough, but if you go into the back country and camp overnight you might want more.
GoWest, you bring up a valid point for hikers. During hunting season hikers should wear highly visible clothing, hunter orange. I have seen city folk strolling where they shouldn't, during hunting season, in recent years, when in the past the only people out there have been other hunters. It used to be understood that one didn't venture out without an orange vest and hat on. Nowadays is alarming to see some guy and his wife wearing brown coats walking cottage roads and some known trails. :Eek:
Meh, there's a trend of hiking clothes being featured in brighter, more visible colours, perhaps to appeal to the younger, crossfit, look at me type crowd. Walk through a place like Atmosphere or MEC and you'll see more and more of these bright hiking and mountaineering garments.
On the contrary, hunters need to be cautious about hikers and campers. If you are shooting at anything that moves you ought not to have a gun.GoWest, you bring up a valid point for hikers. During hunting season hikers should wear highly visible clothing, hunter orange. I have seen city folk strolling where they shouldn't, during hunting season, in recent years, when in the past the only people out there have been other hunters. It used to be understood that one didn't venture out without an orange vest and hat on. Nowadays is alarming to see some guy and his wife wearing brown coats walking cottage roads and some known trails. :Eek:
Before you pull the trigger you been to be clear what your target is AND know what's behind your target. Not shoot without knowing where your round is going if you miss.
Many do. Rules like that only exist in parks where going off trail can be dangerous, or where there's a very sensitive ecosystem. In many national parks hiking off trail is just fine. That's also true of most state parks.National parks don't allow hiking off trails
They don't encourage it because they don't like rescuing stupid people who get lost. But it's only some parks that have a no off trail rule.
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