Australia Has Fallen
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If this was connected with the other footage that Oracle has posted and the reports of the same demos, then the events were extremely violent and were essentially riots.
Of course, Oracle's internet sources may well mix in unrelated events and falsely claim they happened in the same occurrence. Those same sources claim that the police response was unprovoked, but the mainstream news reports documents cops being hospitalized after the rioters threw projectiles at them.
The cops themselves appeared patient and professional. If they have legal grounds to arrest, they have to do their duty. The woman may well have brought the child to use as a prop and her friends were certainly being provocative to the cops and trying to annoy them.
There were specific steve bannon/proud boy/oath keeper inspired provocateurs who created this drama. They've always existed in a (relatively) smaller racist community back in oz.
These individuals flooded the airwaves in 1996 after the port Arthur massacre caused a ban on assault weapons, arguing for a right to bear arms that simply does not exist in the Aussie constitution. They were torn to pieces by Aussie journos who do not allow people to put out nonsense unchallenged.
These individuals flooded the airwaves in 1996 after the port Arthur massacre caused a ban on assault weapons, arguing for a right to bear arms that simply does not exist in the Aussie constitution. They were torn to pieces by Aussie journos who do not allow people to put out nonsense unchallenged.
Does anyone else laugh their ass off seeing conspiracy nuts posting on social media about things they claims were kept off social media?
More brutality against their citizens.........
What's the point of this post?
On the contrary, I wish all those anti-vaxxers who protested and harassed our doctors and hospital workers should be arrested.
On the contrary, I wish all those anti-vaxxers who protested and harassed our doctors and hospital workers should be arrested.
I don’t know for sure, but I’m starting to think Oracle is a government/Big Pharma plant.
I think the strategy is ‘Discredit antivaxxers by posting BS only crazy and/or dumb antivaxxers get swindled by, to make them seem dumb and/or crazy.’
Actual news from Melbs:
PROTEST ARREST: Melbourne’s anti-lockdown rallies run out puff
Organisers urged their followers to ‘show no fear’, but a damning message signalled a Victoria Police victory.
7news.com.au
Melbourne’s anti-lockdown protests run out puff as Victoria Police snuff out sixth day of rallies
Gus McCubbing
Police have snuffed out a sixth day of anti-lockdown and anti-vaccine protests in Melbourne, dispersing and arresting would-be demonstrators.
Hundreds of police lined St Kilda beach and arrested dozens of people on Saturday as protesters initially gathered at Luna Park.
Organisers urged their followers to “show no fear” and said anyone who received a fine from police would be reimbursed.
But the planned sixth day in a row of disruption did not take off.
“No groups gaining tractions that we know of,” organisers posted on an encrypted messaging app at 1.45pm.
“Our people are not giving up though. Stick around for a bit longer and see what happens.”
They signed off about 3pm with vague plans for more protests on Sunday.
Saturday’s events came after police and riot squad members descended on Northcote on Friday afternoon, dispersing a crowd of up to 80 protesters and making 31 arrests.
A scuffle took place outside Northcote Plaza and several of those involved were led away by police at nearby All Nations Park.
Others were stopped and questioned about their reasons for leaving home as helicopters buzzed overhead.
More than 200 protesters were arrested across Melbourne as part of the fifth day of the recurring protests, with police expecting to issue 215 fines for health direction breaches.
Victoria recorded 733 new COVID-19 cases on Friday, including a man who attended Wednesday’s protest in Melbourne’s CBD that centred on the Shrine of Remembrance.
Health chief Brett Sutton says it will take a couple of weeks to learn whether the protest was a super-spreading event.
But health minister Martin Foley said he hoped Saturday’s lacklustre turnout meant the protests had run out of steam.
He described them as “completely regrettable”, “unrepresentative” and “ill-advised” activities that would achieve the direct opposite of their aims.
“Protesting does not work against this virus,” Foley told reporters.
“We’ve already seen a case turn positive from those protests and we presumably might well see more.
“Victoria Police are clearly on top of it. The best thing that those protesters can do is go home and organise to get vaccinated.”
Shadow CBD Recovery Minister David Southwick said he was pleased there had been no repeat of the large-scale protests on the West Gate Freeway and Shrine.
“We’ve seen some horrible images in the last few days,” Southwick said.
“I can’t imagine what people overseas are thinking about us now.”
The protests began on Monday in opposition to mandatory vaccinations for the construction sector and the closure of building site tea rooms but have morphed into a wider anti-lockdown and anti-vaccine movement.
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You seem to have not taken in the links I posted regarding the numerous assaults committed by the anti vaxx rioters against the police and the significant # of police officers hospitalized by those assaults.
The riots appear to have been very violent.
286 d. weergaven · 9,1 d. reacties | Violent protests have erupted in recent days in Australia. Melissa Duggan on the chaotic pushback to pandemic restrictions. | CityNews Toronto
Violent protests have erupted in recent days in Australia. Melissa Duggan on the chaotic pushback to pandemic restrictions.
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Worth seeing. A Melbourne TV station news reporter is struck by a can of soft drink and bloodied, grabbed and assaulted and also pissed on by Oracle's "freedom fighters", simply for filming the protest.
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Come on, man.
These cops work for a government trying to take away tea rooms for the unvaccinated on construction sites.
I’m actually glad The Oracle has his gaze on Aus.
These automatic fines for anti-lockdown / anti-vaxx protestors seem like a WONDERFUL idea.
$5000/arrest?!!
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Give it a rest. That's not a girl being choked out simply for not wearing a mask. That's a follow-on from some other incident, either part of the rioting or totally unconnected. This guy is another Far Right grifter pundit. He says he's suing Facebook, Twitter and the US govt for violating his free speech, FFS.
If you want people to believe what you post - after several recent incidents of you posting misleading information from ultra far right web pages - why don't you start reading and posting from the mainstream news?
Here is one of the "doctors" posting COVID related info on Hart's Twitter page. Turns out he's not a real doctor at all. He's got a PH D in computer programming.
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I mean, watching someone getting choked out by cops isn’t my thing, but I’m not going to kink-shame here.
Curious. Are there videos of Aus police choking out people that aren’t breaking their masking / gathering laws?
Because that would be compelling footage.
I wouldn't object to Oracle posting these if he was also posting videos of the rioters injuring cops and / or bystanders / news crews. But he doesn't do that. And in this case, those assaults clearly took place.
Rough take-downs are common with suspects who are resisting arrest. In the videos Oracle posted, there are some extra shots being give - i.e a kick. The extra shots are objectionable conduct by the cops. OTOH, they are not particularly forceful. And Oracle's stuff is biased. All of these videos have the chain of events that provoked the arrest edited out.
Workers’ rights or the far right: who was behind Melbourne’s pandemic protests?
The anti-lockdown movement ‘opportunistically’ latched onto the frustrations of construction workers, experts say
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Workers’ rights or the far right: who was behind Melbourne’s pandemic protests?
The anti-lockdown movement ‘opportunistically’ latched onto the frustrations of construction workers, experts say
Michael McGowan
Fri 24 Sep 2021 21.00 BST
When self-described citizen journalist Rukshan Fernando arrived outside the office of the Victorian Construction, Forestry, Maritime, Mining and Energy Union on Monday morning and began filming, he asked the handful of men milling around outside in hi-vis jackets what they were doing there.
“We’re here for our rights, OK? First of all, everybody has a free choice. We don’t want to have to lose our jobs,” one of them told him.
Another said: “The message needs to go to [Victorian premier] Dan Andrews bro, fuck the vaccine off, we ain’t getting it.”
In just a few hours the gathering would transform into an angry mob. By the middle of the afternoon, hundreds of people – many in those same hi-vis jackets – had shown up at the CFMEU headquarters to confront the union’s powerful secretary, John Setka, over a grab bag of grievances centred on new rules that make Covid vaccinations mandatory for construction workers in Victoria.
Among many construction workers, anger at Covid-era rule changes had been growing for months. As the Age reported this week, much of that frustration had been directed at the union itself, due to a perception that its leadership had not opposed the mandate.
But Monday’s protest – and the week-long series of sometimes violent demonstrations that followed – sparked a parallel debate about the legitimacy of the uprising and the involvement of far-right actors and conspiracy groups in its organisation.
Setka said many of the attendees were “neo-Nazis and rightwing extremists” rather than union members. Former federal Labor leader Bill Shorten claimed rightwing groups made up of “man-baby Nazis” had dialled a “rent a crowd”.
But there is little evidence Monday’s initial protest was fuelled by far-right agitators. Among the dozen or so men who gathered outside the CFMEU on Monday was Luke Young, a construction worker who describes himself as “union through and through” and has no association with any of the groups who later flocked to the protests.
Young told Guardian Australia this week he and a handful of colleagues had decided to walk to the CFMEU offices on Monday out of frustration both at the vaccine mandate but also a proposal pushed by the union that would remove rest breaks for workers in exchange for them being paid eight hours for six hours’ work.
“The main reason it all started was people wanted to talk to the union and just get clarification on all this stuff because we feel like it goes against our EBA [enterprise bargaining agreement] and everything we’ve fought for,” Young said.
“There were only five of us that went down. I had spoken to delos [union delegates] on site and they had no clarity or any updates on what the union was doing either. You can’t ring them up because people were getting hung up on if they mentioned anything to do with the vaccine.
“So the only way was to go there and talk to them in person and we decided to do that but we didn’t expect anything like that to happen.” Young told the Guardian he left the protest after Setka attempted to speak to the rally on Monday, and hasn’t been to any of the protests that followed.
Protesters, many in hi-vis attire, on Melbourne’s West Gate Bridge. Far-right expert Dr Kaz Ross believes the use of the construction workers by the anti-lockdown movement was ‘opportunistic’.Photograph: James Ross/AAP
Whether Monday’s protest began entirely organically, as Young believes, is unclear. But the presence of Fernando – a wedding photographer who has built a niche as a live-streamer of anti-lockdown protests and denies claims the protests were driven by the far right – suggests there was some pre-planning. He told the Guardian he was alerted to the protest by an Instagram post, though he could not recall who posted it.
In any case, while Monday may have started out as a legitimate expression of frustration, it quickly attracted the attention of the so-called freedom groups that have made a name for themselves protesting against Covid-era restrictions and generally pushing a mass of conspiracy material throughout the pandemic.
By the afternoon, members of one of the largest anti-lockdown groups in Melbourne were encouraging others to attend the rally, and by Tuesday, the same group, led by serial protest organiser Harrison McLean – whose engagement with a number of far-right groups online has previously been revealed by the Guardian – was pushing its own “Workers Rally for Freedom”.
McLean has previously denied being involved in the far right. “I am not Far-Right. I am a Libertarian Populist, and I support Freedom of Speech,” McLean posted under an online username, Dominic, in one forum.
On Tuesday and Wednesday, the long, aimless protests that meandered around Melbourne
The answer to the question of whether the protests were an expression of frustration by a group of legitimate blue-collar workers or a conspiracy-driven swamp of anti-lockdown campaigners, libertarians and neo-Nazis is: both.
“Everyone is asking this question of whether they were Nazis or not,” Dr Kaz Ross, an expert in the far-right and conspiracy-theorist movements in Australia, told the Guardian this week.
“Yes, there were identified and known Nazis among the crowds but, you know, Nazis have jobs too and some of them work in construction.”
Riot officers clear protesters from the Shrine of Remembrance. Victoria police have been criticised for heavy-handed tactics during the protests. Photograph: Luis Ascui/AAP
Ross told the Guardian she believed the use of the construction workers by the anti-lockdown movement was “opportunistic” – but also a tactic it had frequently used.
“The anti-lockdown types have been looking around trying to latch on to some kind of legitimate-looking group to associate themselves with,” she said. “They tried it with the truckiesand they’re trying it with nurses and teachers and aged care workers.”
There’s some evidence the tactic is working. While promises that the protests would continue “every day” had fizzled out by Thursday (another protest planned for Friday also appeared to fail) many were critical of heavy-handed tactics used by the Victoria police to quell the demonstrations.
“Anyone who thinks that it’s a good thing having special operations police looking like they’ve just stepped out of a war zone in Afghanistan walking around Melbourne is nuts,” Ross said.
The protests also gained the explicit and implicit support of some establishment MPs. On Monday, Bernie Finn, the Victorian state Liberal MP who has opposed lockdown measures, expressed support for the anti-vaccine mandate sentiments of some protesters, writing on Facebook: “There is no justification for violence but if any government tried to force medical treatment on me against my will, they’d see a fighting fury.”
Other political groups were more explicit in their support. Members of the fringe libertarian party, the Liberal Democrats, for example, have attended anti-lockdown protests throughout the pandemic, and during the week, figures from the party were highly critical of the police response while also re-tweeting far-right figures such as Avi Yemini.
Whether the protests have broader public support is questionable. After Wednesday’s protest culminated in an extended standoff between demonstrators and police at the Shrine of Remembrance, the Victorian RSL released a statement condemning the protesters for “completely disrespecting the sanctity of this space”. Later, the shrine’s chief executive, Dean Lee, told breakfast TV that protesters had urinated on the memorial.
“There was broken glass, there was rubbish, there was even urination on parts of this sacred monument, which is absolutely appalling,” Lee said.
For those of you who've ever wondered whether or not you'd have been a Nazi in 1939 thru 1945. Well, now you know.
The formula is sow as much chaos as possible, blended in with more "legitimate" groups as possible. The offer your leader as the solution to bring order to all this chaos. This is the standard fascist model.
Trump tried to re-create that model more in words (constant references to crime, violence, unfettered illegal immigration, muslim terrorists...you know, american carnage) and then say "only I can fix it".
Now a version of that is to get people to lose faith in the fairness and legitimacy of elections. Thus create as much confusion and question as possible to allow the laws to be changed that biases everything in your favour. Cite "voter confidence" (the same confidence you've been doing your damnest to undermine) as your reason. And, when you run out of subterfuge, get people angry enough and confused enough so that whoever brings the most force wins the election.
Enjoy America.
Not as worried about the old country. Never suffered wowsers well.
Trump tried to re-create that model more in words (constant references to crime, violence, unfettered illegal immigration, muslim terrorists...you know, american carnage) and then say "only I can fix it".
Now a version of that is to get people to lose faith in the fairness and legitimacy of elections. Thus create as much confusion and question as possible to allow the laws to be changed that biases everything in your favour. Cite "voter confidence" (the same confidence you've been doing your damnest to undermine) as your reason. And, when you run out of subterfuge, get people angry enough and confused enough so that whoever brings the most force wins the election.
Enjoy America.
Not as worried about the old country. Never suffered wowsers well.
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