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Syria has a police state for a reason
Democracy is working fine in Afghanistan and Iraq and Egypt
Painting Assad as a bad guy who wants power because he is an egomaniac is simplistic
Attack on Syria is it justified ?
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Syria has a police state for a reason
Democracy is working fine in Afghanistan and Iraq and Egypt
Painting Assad as a bad guy who wants power because he is an egomaniac is simplistic
ACtually, his intelligence chiefs told him there were NOT. CIA boss at the time, whatsisname Tenant, briefed him stating that their reports from a minister inside Hussein's gov't said there were no WMDs. Bush chose to ignore this, to the detriment of... well, everyone not named "Cheney".His intelligence chiefs told him there were, and had he gotten on the hot line with V.V. Putin he would have told him my Intelligence chiefs tell me the same thing.
That's not lying, that's having incorrect information. We have previously been over the hurdles as to why that was.
Assad is a bad guy. He is evil. He sits atop a regime that tortures children. This isn't even hyperbole, the list of atrocities carried out by the regime diminishes faith in the whole human race. The extent of the evil and the brutality of that regime simply cannot be overstated.Unsure
Syria has a police state for a reason
Democracy is working fine in Afghanistan and Iraq and Egypt
Painting Assad as a bad guy who wants power because he is an egomaniac is simplistic
What complicates the situation and makes it anything but simple is the fact that terrorists who are just as evil have joined the fight against him with their own agenda. No one wants to turn Syria into Al Qaeda controlled territory either.
But somewhere in the middle of that are a lot of regular ordinary Syrians who have had their world crash down around them in an appalling way.
They have been shot at, used as human shields, been sniped at in the streets, attacked with mortars, bombed by jets, and now gassed with sarin. Their hospitals have been systematically targeted and bombed. Their children have been tied screaming to the front of tanks attacking their homes. Atrocity after atrocity after atrocity has been inflicted on them.
This is the Rwanda of our time, and like Rwanda it is a complex situation where none of the factions have completely clean hands.
But as the death tolls mount into the hundreds of thousands, and as the refugees stream out by the millions, as children starve, and people die for lack of even the most basic health-care, the question mounts: what are we going to do about it?
The fact that it is complicated and hard is really no excuse for total inaction. As in Rwanda we will look back on these days with considerable shame.
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That just isn't true.You're making that up. Virtually every Western intelligence service reported no evidence that Iraq had WMDs.
He did and no one believed him.Even Hans Blix came back saying he had found no evidence of WMDs.
That means outside TERB, the U.K., France, Russia, the PRC, the U.S.A. etc. . . .
That no one you know or are related to was in risk of being shot down - so why should you have given a tinkers dam.Right. Yes. No fly zones. Which have zero to do with terrorism. ...what was your point again?
Nor where you directly paying for the costs of the no fly zones. Then again since Canada wasn't involved in Iraq at all. . . .
Have you spoken with your grandfather/father/uncle/great-grandfather about this?Gassing citizens is small compared to what the allies did in WW2
You may be inclined to believe that but I doubt anyone outside of the ultra-right wing talking heads would place any credibility on it.Thats possible.
Or they were friends and as soon as things turned sour for Assad in Syria John Kerry turned into a backstabbber.
We dont know the nature of the conversation they had at that dinner, it couldve had nothing to do with politics
You might have missed it but a significant part of reason behind Lebanon's woes is the same Assad regime.Is not Syria protecting itself from Al Qaeda?
What does USA want ?? Another Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt ???? ...
For the first big chunk of the civil war, mainly moderate Syrians were the ones fighting against Assad. The foreign jihadists started coming months after Assad was brutally suppressing legitimate Syrian protests. Like any conflict, the longer it goes on, the more power goes to extremists on each side....
Yup, they are defending themselves from terrorists trying to take over their country. Apparently this is not allowed under Obama ...
Likely so. If there was an intervention when it was Syrians fighting for their rights, it could have had a move towards democracy (but based on other regional examples, it would still be far short of ideal).Agreed, but even if Assad is ousted, the next dictator will take over and pick up exactly where Assad left off
Really! I'm sorry, but for the love of - who on earth believes this!Or they were friends and as soon as things turned sour for Assad in Syria John Kerry turned into a backstabbber.
I'm saying its possible. Why else bring your wives to a political meeting??Really! I'm sorry, but for the love of - who on earth believes this!
Because you are on a political junket to Syria and because that's the way diplomacy is done.I'm saying its possible. Why else bring your wives to a political meeting??
I'm no supporter of John Kerry, but good Lord, having dinner with the Head of State of Syria a good year before the civil war erupted. . . .
No one believed Blix because the US made such strong statements that there was definitive proof. No one expected that to be a massive fraud.He did and no one believed him.
That means outside TERB, the U.K., France, Russia, the PRC, the U.S.A. etc. . . .
All those allies have since said they assumed that the US must have had real information to make such strong claims.
At that time the US still enjoyed a good reputation, so the claim was believed. People put their faith in American honesty and integrity.
Not this time...
Meh, I really dont give a crap anymore if war breaks out.
I'm gonna grab a beer, some popcorn, and then watch the shit hit the fan on CNN
I'm gonna grab a beer, some popcorn, and then watch the shit hit the fan on CNN
Right, right. Yes. Yes. ermm, yeah. Right.That no one you know or are related to was in risk of being shot down - so why should you have given a tinkers dam.
Nor where you directly paying for the costs of the no fly zones. Then again since Canada wasn't involved in Iraq at all. . . .
uhhh, what does any of this have to do with the fact that Iraq had no ties to terrorism again?
The whole world is now paying the price for that lie. Our options in Syria and Iran have been considerably limited by the US fuckup in Iraq.That no one you know or are related to was in risk of being shot down - so why should you have given a tinkers dam.
Nor where you directly paying for the costs of the no fly zones. Then again since Canada wasn't involved in Iraq at all. . . .
And by fuckup, I mean the US President blatantly lying to allied nations, the UN, and congress.
The whole world?The whole world is now paying the price for that lie. Our options in Syria and Iran have been considerably limited by the US fuckup in Iraq.
And by fuckup, I mean the US President blatantly lying to allied nations, the UN, and congress.
I'd say mostly Iraqi's are paying the price of that lie.
The whole world. It had made acting on real problems more difficult, which adversely impacts everyone on the planet.The whole world?
I'd say mostly Iraqi's are paying the price of that lie.
