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Kautilya

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This is an astonishingly ignorant statement.

You are claiming that in the US, during a democratic election, will you vote for Biden or trump, is NOT a binary question?
That is astonishingly uninformed.

Biden and Trump may be frontrunners, but you have RFK Jr., and Cornel West running as independents.

Even with Biden and Trump they are presumptive nominees and they each have to go through the primaries, against multiple Presidential candidates.

So clearly even in a 2 party system, it isn't exactly binary.

Your posts are already low value, troll posts, with not a lot of logic or an educated opinion. The least you can do is think it through. Are you that lazy?
 
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This is again an off topic post. Stay on topic. I am not here to validate someone else's irrelevant points about gay rights in a thread about student protests against Israel's genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza.
It was LaRue's question and you answered. It is too late for you to claim it is off topic. You should have claimed it then instead of answering it.

I am no one to accept or not accept anything regarding American political realities as I am not an American citizen and have no influence over their policies. American CITIZENS OTOH are choosing to protest their govt. and their institutions and are demanding changes. That is their right. Similarly, we protest our govt. and our institutions and demand changes, which is our right.
More blatant hypocrisy.

You are not Palestinian or Israeli, yet you've got plenty of opinions there. You just contradicted yourself by saying that you won't comment on another country's policies.

And my point had nothing at all to do with your opinion of American political realities. It was simply pointing out how ridiculous your claim that there are never any binary choices in a democracy. Biden or Trump is a binary choice.

Stay on topic.
 

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That is astonishingly uninformed.

Biden and Trump may be frontrunners, but you have RFK Jr., and Cornel West running as independents.
Any other choices are too trivial to be considered realistic.

You can vote for a slug as well, but Biden or trump is still the binary choice.

Try staying within the realm of reality, not fantasy.
 
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Kautilya

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It was LaRue's question and you answered. It is too late for you to claim it is off topic. You should have claimed it then instead of answering it.
It was your post that I called off-topic, which was referring to Oracle's post, not Larue's. You can't even keep track of what you are saying anymore. This is once again an off topic post.
More blatant hypocrisy.

You are not Palestinian or Israeli, yet you've got plenty of opinions there. You just contradicted yourself by saying that you won't comment on another country's policies.

And my point had nothing at all to do with your opinion of American political realities. It was simply pointing out how ridiculous your claim that there are never any binary choices in a democracy. Biden or Trump is a binary choice.

Stay on topic.
There are never binary choices in a democracy because there are a multitude of opinions on any topic. Even your example was a failure because you did not think it through. You are allowed to have an opinion on anything. But you are no one to accept or not accept something that you do not have direct control over or are not a part of.
Any other choices are too trivial to be considered realistic.

You can vote for a slug as well, but Biden or trump is still the binary choice.

Try staying within the realm of reality, not fantasy.
Regardless they are choices available for the voter. Hence it is not binary. Even in the case of Trump and Biden, they have to contend with multiple other candidates from their own parties. So again, not binary.
 

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It is a pathetic joke that they talk about holocaust remembrance while committing genocide against Palestine. 35000 killed including 15000 children. The infrastructure bombed into mounds of rubble. Blocking aid and killing journalists and aid workers. To say "never again" while committing these atrocities is the ultimate racist hypocrasy
 

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It was your post that I called off-topic, which was referring to Oracle's post, not Larue's. You can't even keep track of what you are saying anymore. This is once again an off topic post.
My post dealt with the binary question discussion that you and JlaR were engaged in. How could it be off topic. You can't even keep track of what discussions you are engaged in.

There are never binary choices in a democracy because there are a multitude of opinions on any topic.
We are talking about choices, not opinions. They are not the same.

Regardless they are choices available for the voter.
TBH, I don't care who your choice is or what your opinion is. The point is that the American choice, for all intents and purposes, is a binary one. Any you just agreed that they have the choice.
 
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shack

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It is a pathetic joke that they talk about holocaust remembrance while committing genocide against Palestine.
They are NOT joking when they say "Never again". Do you think that they were joking or were they "deadly" serious?
 

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That is astonishingly uninformed.

too funny

you were asked

A. what is the value of an informed protestor
vs
B. what is the value of an uninformed protestor

and you replied 'we need both' and later 'the value of a protestor, remains the same whether or not they are informed'

however in the same thread you dismiss Shacks views as uninformed, clearly implying his view as worthless

you are a bullshit artist, who thinks he can always self justify his bullshit and that is of zero value
 

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There are no binary questions in a democracy. Binary questions dont exist. There are a multitude of opinions, on any topic, always. Protests are also a fundamental democratic tool.

To answer your question, the value of a protestor, remains the same whether or not they are informed. Therefore A and B, have the exact same value and how informed they are, has no bearing on their value, in a democracy.

When you go to vote, you are not questioned whether or not you know about the issues. You may or you may not. But you get one vote the same as everyone else.

When one goes to a protest, their presence counts for exactly the same as someone else whether or not their reasons align with the original reason for which the protest was called for. Whatever the reasons, they are all valid reasons for one to be there.

Now if that is not a straight answer, then what is?
you confuse rights with value

they are not the same
 

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There are no binary questions in a democracy. Binary questions dont exist. There are a multitude of opinions, on any topic, always. Protests are also a fundamental democratic tool.

To answer your question, the value of a protestor, remains the same whether or not they are informed. Therefore A and B, have the exact same value and how informed they are, has no bearing on their value, in a democracy.

When you go to vote, you are not questioned whether or not you know about the issues. You may or you may not. But you get one vote the same as everyone else.

When one goes to a protest, their presence counts for exactly the same as someone else whether or not their reasons align with the original reason for which the protest was called for. Whatever the reasons, they are all valid reasons for one to be there.

Now if that is not a straight answer, then what is?
high school test questions requiring selecting A or B as the correct answer occur all the time in a democracy

binary questions appear on the tax return you are required to file

1. did you sell a primary residence in 2023 ?
yes or
no

2. is the information in your tax return truthful ?
yes or
no

3 if giving testimony in court
“Do you Swear that the evidence you shall give the Court shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."
yes or
no

4. do binary questions exist in a democracy?
yes or
no

answer : Yes
 
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JohnLarue

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Sheep have this habit of following each other while vocalizing "Baaa", because only a sheep can recognize another sheep.
uninformed protestors have this habit of following each other while vocalizing "Baaa",

we can recognise an uninformed protestor if they answer the question, 'what are you protesting' with' "speak to the organizer "
 
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Sheep have this habit of following each other while vocalizing "Baaa", because only a sheep can recognize another sheep.
I expected something better from you instead of a juvenile response lol
 

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Even scarier, some may become the leaders of the future.
What should be scary for you is the knowledge that nobody under 30 backs zionism and now its just really old people supporting it.

No wonder zionist try to shut down the free press so often.
Al Jazeera in Israel.
Tiktok in the US


Now they've destroyed the Pulitzers too.
 

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Kautilya

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My post dealt with the binary question discussion that you and JlaR were engaged in. How could it be off topic. You can't even keep track of what discussions you are engaged in.
No it did not. You responded to my response to you, in regards to Oracle's post talking about gay rights, which I called off topic for this thread. It was too late for you last night, so you were not tracking. I was talking about a low carb diet in the other thread which keeps me always energetic and sharp. I would highly recommend it!
We are talking about choices, not opinions. They are not the same.
There are a multitude of choices in a democracy. As there are a multitude of opinions.
TBH, I don't care who your choice is or what your opinion is. The point is that the American choice, for all intents and purposes, is a binary one. Any you just agreed that they have the choice.
For all intents and purposes it is demonstrably true that the American elections are not binary as I have already illustrated. This is objective truth. Sorry you embarrassed yourself on this one.
and you replied 'we need both' and later 'the value of a protestor, remains the same whether or not they are informed'

however in the same thread you dismiss Shacks views as uninformed, clearly implying his view as worthless
I did not say Shack's views as worthless. I said they were uninformed because he was wrong. By calling his views wrong, his views were given due consideration and therefore value was attached to what he had to say. If I did not care about what he had to say I would have ignored him and not responded. Now that would be attaching no value. So again, your accusation falls flat and you need to wipe that dirt off your face from falling flat on your face too often in debates with me. 🐸
does night follow day , yes or no ?

the question is the same in Canada as in Communist China
That has nothing to do with democracies or political opinions. Your example is both inappropriate and fails a sanity check.
you confuse rights with value

they are not the same
There is no law, or system which attaches objective "value" to individuals or their opinion in a democracy. All individuals are equal in the eyes of the law.
high school test questions requiring selecting A or B as the correct answer occur all the time in a democracy

binary questions appear on the tax return you are required to file

1. did you sell a primary residence in 2023 ?
yes or
no

2. is the information in your tax return truthful ?
yes or
no

3 if giving testimony in court
“Do you Swear that the evidence you shall give the Court shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."
yes or
no

4. do binary questions exist in a democracy?
yes or
no

answer : Yes
They have nothing to do with democracies or political opinions. And they occur in non-democracies as well. Your example is both inappropriate and fails a sanity check.
uninformed protestors have this habit of following each other while vocalizing "Baaa",
No they don't. Please provide proof, that a) The protesters vocalized "Baaa". Precisely, "Baaa". b) Provide proof that they were "uninformed" and how you came to the conclusion and c) Provide proof of your own knowledge on the subject.
I expected something better from you instead of a juvenile response lol
You expected something better in response to your post, which was: "Baaaa"? I was not even responding to a juvenile post. I was responding to inarticulate, unintelligent animal noises made by a grown ass man. 😂
 

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What should be scary for you is the knowledge that nobody under 30 backs zionism and now its just really old people supporting it.

No wonder zionist try to shut down the free press so often.
So, with Al-Jizz being banned in Saudi Arabia, you are now claiming that SA is a Zionist state. Looney Tunes.
 

JohnLarue

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I did not say Shack's views as worthless. I said they were uninformed because he was wrong.
what is the value of a "wrong" view ?

you think you can talk your way out of stepping in your own bullshit
what is defiantly worthless is your disingenuous views / opinions
 
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