Both together, you need them all for change.it was a binary question
if protestors are going to influence policy and possibly societal change which is better A or B ?
Both together, you need them all for change.it was a binary question
if protestors are going to influence policy and possibly societal change which is better A or B ?
This isn't a binary question. You need both. This is a democracy.it was a binary question
if protestors are going to influence policy and possibly societal change which is better A or B ?
You must be talking about these people.Those U of T pro Hamas people aren't very friendly. Very racist indeed.
WARMINGTON: Marshals wearing keffiyehs at U of T tell Jews they can't enter Little Gaza camp
There’s no spinning or downplaying it. Anti-Jewish segregation is happening on the campus of the University of Toronto.torontosun.com
You can protest then too. Just dont go around waving the Nazi flag or join a protest started by a Nazi.unless of course if you are protesting the current government and are a truck driver
it is a binary questionThis isn't a binary question. You need both. This is a democracy.
There are no binary questions in a democracy. Binary questions dont exist. There are a multitude of opinions, on any topic, always. Protests are also a fundamental democratic tool.it is a binary question
you chose one or the other
A or B
protests are not the defined by democracy, nor are they unique to democracy. The Gdansk shipyard protests & Tiananmen square proved that
the question was
A. what is the value of an informed protestor who has objectively evaluated the pros and cons of the issue and determined his / hers opinion needs to be heard?
vs
B. what is the value of an uninformed protestor who has no clue about the issue and just wants to part of the crowd ? (or get paid $100 to shout slogans while hanging with his friends) ?
since you refused to answer the question , we can only assume you are too chicken shit to pick B, you must see there is no value in B
and if there is no value an uninformed protestor who has no clue about the issue and just wants to part of the crowd ? (or get paid $100 to shout slogans while hanging with his friends) ?
then, there is no need
in fact the net contribution to society is negative, especially if money is exchanged for the disingenuous protesting service
Baaa.....When you go to a protest, you protest for a cause and your presence counts for exactly the same as someone else whether or not you know about why you are protesting,.
Sheep have this habit of following each other while vocalizing "Baaa", because only a sheep can recognize another sheep.Baaa.....
So you're saying that gay pride events are irrelevant when the question is about gay pride events. Wow. Just wow.Yeah gay pride events are the most important when people are getting genocided. So your argument is that it is okay to mass murder people because they dont support gay rights?
Yes gay pride events are irrelevant and completely off topic when the discussion is about protests against an ongoing genocide.So you're saying that gay pride events are irrelevant when the question is about gay pride events. Wow. Just wow.
Even scarier, some may become the leaders of the future.scary thing is that these young people can vote
So you're saying that Oracle is not allowed to ask a question.Yes gay pride events are irrelevant and completely off topic when the discussion is about protests against an ongoing genocide.
Of course they can protest. But the point is that if they are uninformed, it means that their voices and opinions do not carry any weight because they are derived from ignorance.Yes, that is the beauty of a democracy where anyone can protest, and show support for any cause. Informed or not.
Oracle can ask the question and can discuss it if he wishes to. I am however not discussing it and I dont need anyone's authority to make that choice. I am razor focused on the topic of the thread, which is the anti-Israel student protests against Israel's genocide in Gaza. As a good debater, it is my responsibility to bring the focus back to the topic of the thread and not derail it. You need to learn how to debate and stay on topic. As such, your post here is also off-topic.So you're saying that Oracle is not allowed to ask a question.
The Oracle said:
How many Gay Pride events do you think there are in any Islamic country?...But they are held in Israel...Hmmm.
Who bestowed you with this authority? It's a simple question. But you say it's irrelevant because the answer is ZERO and you are afraid to admit that because it is counter to your narrative. These idiot protestors are supporting oppressive regimes that would execute them for not wearing hijabs if they had the chance.
That's the point of this whole thread, pointing out how stupid these protestors, who you incorrectly claim represent a righteous cause, really are.
Their voices carry exactly the same weight as the ones who are informed. That is the beauty of a democracy. No one person's voice means more than the other.Of course they can protest. But the point is that if they are uninformed, it means that their voices and opinions do not carry any weight because they are derived from ignorance.
I hardly ever agree with you but in this case you perfectly summed up how his point is devoid of logic and as such is irrelevant.A. what is the value of an informed protestor who has objectively evaluated the pros and cons of the issue and determined his / hers opinion needs to be heard?
vs
B. what is the value of an uninformed protestor who has no clue about the issue and just wants to part of the crowd ? (or get paid $100 to shout slogans while hanging with his friends) ?
numbers prevail over rational thought ?
if protestors are going to influence policy and possibly societal change which is better A or B ?
lets stipulate the question is completely independent of any specific issue , just to see if you are capable of unbiased rational thinking
It's easier to run away and dismiss his point as irrelevant than to address it and show why his point is VERY relevant.Oracle can ask the question and can discuss it if he wishes to. I am however not discussing it
So then you should accept and live with the Americans supporting Israel, even if, in your opinion, the choice is flawed.These are flaws in a democratic system we have to accept and live with.
This is again an off topic post. Stay on topic. I am not here to validate someone else's irrelevant points about gay rights in a thread about student protests against Israel's genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza.It's easier to run away and dismiss his point as irrelevant than to address it and show why his point is VERY relevant.
I am no one to accept or not accept anything regarding American political realities as I am not an American citizen and have no influence over their policies. American CITIZENS OTOH are choosing to protest their govt. and their institutions and are demanding changes. That is their right. Similarly, we protest our govt. and our institutions and demand changes, which is our right.So then you should accept and live with the Americans supporting Israel, even if, in your opinion, the choice is flawed.
I'm not holding my breath waiting for you to admit your hypocrisy.
This is an astonishingly ignorant statement.There are no binary questions in a democracy. Binary questions dont exist.