Exactly, criminals will find a way.
So no amount of security would have helped, especially in this particular event.
Are the Toronto police fleeing in the face of the enemy?
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So no amount of security would have helped, especially in this particular event.
Yes, but that was topical I think. He couldn't ignore it just outright.The news reported several days ago that he had publicly asked attendees to come forward with information. Was that incorrect?
Good way to cover his ass.
He should be more engaging with this, especially since people died.
I have to wonder if he even thinks about it at this point.
Police should be getting paid regular wages for this work and it should be scheduled as part of their regular earned hours. If more cops are needed well hey! Now you've created employment opportunities! But paying $100/hr for a guy standing around doing nothing is ridiculous.I'm not sure why cops are allowed to do off-duty police work. The service should be getting paid for that work. You know, to help pay officers' ridiculously high wages.
Sorry I don't see it that way. I still blame the cops who were paid to provide a safe environment. That's their JOB.Exactly my point. You are blaming the cops because the girl is dead and not the gunman. Blame the culture that supported this event if you do not want to blame the guy with the gun but don't blame the police.
There is only so much a cop can do.Playing devil's advocate here, but 4,000 people at an after hours event versus how many cops-for-hire? They can't honestly be at all places at every instance.
The question is what did they do if anything that night.
The shooters are first to blame. But the security is second in line.
It is a bit of a scam. I heard thst some banquet halls require you to hire a cop for your wedding.Police should be getting paid regular wages for this work and it should be scheduled as part of their regular earned hours. If more cops are needed well hey! Now you've created employment opportunities! But paying $100/hr for a guy standing around doing nothing is ridiculous.
That would mean every festival, every event, dance, wedding, funeral where the venue requires cops would be covered by the guys on duty, taking them away from answering calls and patrolling etc.. OK, so you hire how many more to do this as an on duty thing? And the taxpayer pays for cops to babysit a hip hop club instead of the club owner himself? Add to that the equipment, training, cars.... And each cop doesn't work 24/7, they get time off, vacation, etc, which is when they normally do these paid duties. Would you rather have Muzik pay for the cops, or you?Police should be getting paid regular wages for this work and it should be scheduled as part of their regular earned hours. If more cops are needed well hey! Now you've created employment opportunities! But paying $100/hr for a guy standing around doing nothing is ridiculous.
Added onto the officer's paid duty wage is an administration fee, which is paid to the police service, you know, to help pay officer's ridiculously high wages.I'm not sure why cops are allowed to do off-duty police work. The service should be getting paid for that work. You know, to help pay officers' ridiculously high wages.
I agree thsy drake should have been active right from the beginning.
Fuck any sort of appearances. The guy is not a street thug he grew up wealthy and a child actor. I dont think his fans care about street cred for guy who was mever on the street.
But in his defend maybe his lawyer told him to not say anything expecting a lawsuit to come their way.
Fuck any sort of appearances. The guy is not a street thug he grew up wealthy and a child actor. I dont think his fans care about street cred for guy who was mever on the street.
But in his defend maybe his lawyer told him to not say anything expecting a lawsuit to come their way.
+1Exactly my point. You are blaming the cops because the girl is dead and not the gunman. Blame the culture that supported this event if you do not want to blame the guy with the gun but don't blame the police.
This is where the only blame exists.
It is usually a requirement to get insurance for the venue. It is the insurers that require it, not the banquet hall. The banquet hall requires you to insure the event.It is a bit of a scam. I heard thst some banquet halls require you to hire a cop for your wedding.
The private security at the hall was responsible for searching the patrons entering, metal scans, etc. They provide the equipment and personnel, not the cops. For the most part the cops remain on the perimeter of the venue and are only called in if required. There were 4000 patrons. How many cops were hired? 10. Ten cops for 4000 people, a 400:1 ratio. That's stupid.Sorry I don't see it that way. I still blame the cops who were paid to provide a safe environment. That's their JOB.
I heard that the cops were the first responders. While the partygoers were running away and/or shooting videos with their cellphone cameras, the cops actually provided aid to those who were shot. Maybe more people would have been shot and died if not for the quick action of the cops.There is only so much a cop can do.
The question is what did they do if anything that night.
BTW: Can't we hold these concerts in an empty field out in the country or in Downsview? Also, put a disclaimer in the advertising and tickets that you might get shot and die if you choose to attend.
We have to use cops for traffic or point duty for certain construction jobs.I'm not sure why cops are allowed to do off-duty police work. The service should be getting paid for that work. You know, to help pay officers' ridiculously high wages.
Apart from funeral detail, someone told me that you can't hire cops to provide security for your wedding or home (loaded with gifts, etc.) anymore.
Cops are paid something like $60 odd dollars an hour (regular time), and you must pay them COD on site.
Then the Police Union will send you an invoice for the HST and an admin fee (I think even for some union benefits).
I agree thsy drake should have been active right from the beginning.
Fuck any sort of appearances. The guy is not a street thug he grew up wealthy and a child actor. I dont think his fans care about street cred for guy who was mever on the street.
But in his defend maybe his lawyer told him to not say anything expecting a lawsuit to come their way.
I agree. Drake has to be careful. It's not his fault but I would've made a public service announcement of sorts, if not a public tweet, short and sweet.
Years ago, the Hell's Angels provided security to the Rolling Stones, and they stabbed one guy. Don't think the Stones were reprimanded for that. Not sure if they were sued. The incident was caught on film. I believe it was shown in the documentary Gimme Shelter IIRC.
I'm not sure if that's done anymore. Perhaps private security detail, but not cops like I used to remember.It is a bit of a scam. I heard thst some banquet halls require you to hire a cop for your wedding.
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...spended-at-muzik-after-multiple-shooting.html
Too dangerous for cops to provide security? Really? I guess they could hand out more speeding tix.
My bad. I guess you can still hire cops, but I doubt to watch your home (i.e., loaded with wedding gifts although a cop supervised the eviction of a tenant recently that I know of).
Off-duty Toronto police officers are available for hire to assist with traffic control, construction activity, funerals, film shoots or providing security at sporting events, concerts, weddings, community and school events.
Any organization or business can request a paid-duty officer. The service considers each request “on a case-by-case basis,” using the same set of criteria, such as crowd estimates, what other security is involved and what has occurred at past events.
I must echo nottyboi's sentiment after I read this:
Under the terms of agreement, posted on the TPS website, “a paid duty may be cancelled by a police officer on the site of the paid duty where there is a concern for public safety.”
How does the attendance of a paid-duty cop cause a concern for public safety?
Good, glad to hear it.Added onto the officer's paid duty wage is an administration fee, which is paid to the police service, you know, to help pay officer's ridiculously high wages.
Girl at work is getting married they had to budget for one cop. it was a specific stipulation of the venue they used.I'm not sure if that's done anymore. Perhaps private security detail, but not cops like I used to remember.
Yeah, I guess for weddings (at banquet halls), it is still done. But not for private homeowners, although like I said, I know recently of a cop waiting outside in his squad car as a tenant was evicted. So maybe yes.Girl at work is getting married they had to budget for one cop. it was a specific stipulation of the venue they used.
