Arabs back stabbing each other.
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Reread the thread, that was not an issue here. To the best of my knowledge there are no holocaust deniers here.I'm having a hard time following all of the anti-semitic rhetoric. But, anyway...just to clear things up, are you of the opinion that the Holocaust never happened? A simple yes or no will suffice
The issue is a quote, printed at three reputable sites, which Fuji objects to and to which Fuji now calls holocaust deniers.
The quote is hearsay. You have failed to find a citation for it, just links to others also using it as hearsay.Reread the thread, that was not an issue here. To the best of my knowledge there are no holocaust deniers here.
The issue is a quote, printed at three reputable sites, which Fuji objects to and to which Fuji now calls holocaust deniers.
Maybe you should re-read the thread goof , the thread is about Arabs back stabbing each other, I thought your threads supposed to be about Israel not the Jews, instead you're here putting out vile garbage about the holocaust. Shame on you , you should apologize and promise not to do it again.Reread the thread, that was not an issue here. To the best of my knowledge there are no holocaust deniers here.
Yup.Ok. So, i'm clear...you do accept that the Holocaust happend?
Almost all accusations of holocaust denial on this board are from a select few whose rhetoric should be toned down.
I'm not too sympathetic to Israel's position, its true, but its of my opinion that they have put themselves where they are through their own actions. One of the most shocking elements of the whole story is that a people who had been through such a horrendous crime as the holocaust should implement policies of ethnic cleansing on another people. That there are still millions of stateless refugees living around Israel awaiting their rightful return and millions within while Israel living under occupation that is on an expansionist path is also shocking. As for threats by other countries, they don't seem to be as dire as you sound, since Israel is the only nuclear armed state in the region with the backing of the worlds largest army in the US. They are, and haven't been for quite some time, the victims.Thank you for the reply. What is your opinion, then, on how the very real history of the Holocaust should impact how Israeli's view their fragile existence in a region (nations) DEDICATED to wiping them out? Just curious as you seem to be unsympathetic IN THE LEAST BIT to the precarious position Israel is in
At present Israel is on a path towards a one state solution, having effectively killed the two state solution. Whether they try to move forward annexing the West Bank and trying to abandon Gaza or whether they end up having to endure a population that fights for equal rights will be the big question moving forward. Will they create a truly apartheid state or become a single state with equal rights for all?
In any event, the leaders of the Palestinians have acted as idiots largely, and the leaders of Israel as well. I feel for both peoples, living in insecurity and fear and hope for peace for all with no bloodshed.
Probably in '47, when they came in with a plan to take more then the UN partition allowed. Check previous threads on Plan Dalet."I'm not too sympathetic to Israel's position, its true, but its of my opinion that they have put themselves where they are through their own actions." Interesting. What do you suggest they should have done differently, and when should they have done it? You are, im sure, familiar with 1967, as well as the Yom Kippur War. Where, exactly, did the israeli's bring this on themselves? Just curious as to your thoughts
Partition was a messed up idea to begin with as well, taking it out on Palestinians to assuage European whites of their guilt/collusion after the holocaust wasn't really a smart way to right wrongs. After all the UN gave 7% of the population 55% of the country.
I'm not to big on theocracies, or countries based around one ethnicity or religion, growing up in Toronto makes me value mixing all people together. So I also tend to lump all countries that are for the 'chosen people' as a bad idea.
Do you think they've been smart the way they've been running the country and dealing with the natives?
You mean, several months after the Arabs started a civil war to wipe out the Jewish partition. In other words, your complaint about Israel is that instead of being wiped out by the Arabs, they fought back.Probably in '47, when they came in with a plan to take more then the UN partition allowed.
OK...
Maybe the Arabs wouldn't lose so much territory if they would stop launching wars of aggression against Israel.
Yet the Palestinians are not responsible for their own position? They have constantly been against the existence of a state where Jews had full rights from the Peel Commission where Israel would be a miniscule state to the present views of Hamas and even Fatah's praising of the Palestinian leader at the time who was bent on killing Jews in the region.I'm not too sympathetic to Israel's position, its true, but its of my opinion that they have put themselves where they are through their own actions....
Who was it that accepted the partition plan and who rejected it and promised war?Probably in '47, when they came in with a plan to take more then the UN partition allowed....
Interesting.Yes.
So you have no worries about apartheid nor direction of the country in the future?
No worries about parties like Jewish Home?
No worries about a party that have next to no support in Israel?Interesting.
So you have no worries about apartheid nor direction of the country in the future?
No worries about parties like Jewish Home?
Do you have no worry with Hamas corruption and their perpetual war to destroy Israel because Jews have rights there?
Ah, the victim card again.To groggy and gryfin,
It is impossible for you or i, from the comfort of our cushy lives, to evaluate the policies and practices of Israel. It is impossible for us to understand or comprehend what it is like to live your life EVERY DAY in a tiny piece of land, surrounded by your sworn enemies (whose charters vow your destruction), never knowing when you will be attacked, when the air raid sirens will go off, or whether the bus you just got on had a woman with a backpack full of explosives fully willing to kill herself and the women and children that you see every day. What is your biggest concern on a daily basis? Where to get your latte? How many cable channels you should order from rogers? I' m sure it is not whether a rocket will land in your backyard. Through no fault of their own, FROM ITS BIRTH, this has been israel's history. They were innocents IN THE BEGINNING, and everything they have done since then has been to survive. We are in no position to judge, because we do not share their history. Have a good day...
But try to imagine life on the other side of those walls, where you have to live in a prison like situation where people are regularly killed about 10 times as often. As Al Jazeera reported:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/12/201212199383072902.htmlSince the first Qassam rocket fell on Israel in April 2001, 59 Israelis have been killed - and 4,717 Palestinians. The numbers don't lie, as they say in less lethal fields, and this proportion is horrifying. It ought to disturb every Israeli.
And even just before the latest rounds of attacks:
From the same article.At the end of November, UN Special Rapporteur on Palestinian human rights Richard Falk noted that, "[a]ccording to figures compiled by the Israeli human rights NGO, B'Tselem, between the ceasefire established in January 2009 and the outbreak of this recent cycle of violence, not a single Israeli has been killed, while Israeli violence was responsible for 271 Gazan deaths".
And try to imagine life in the West Bank, where the natives describe living in a Bantustan:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/01/20131372925495458.htmlAfter seven hours of waiting at the Rafah border and after exhausting every connection, every phone number, every thread of hope and every possibility, we managed to make it through. Once inside Gaza, it became abundantly clear that despite Hamas' visible presence inside the city and the endless waves of green flags, we had arrived into an Israeli controlled Bantustan. The currency used here is the new Israeli Shekel, the IDs all the residents carry are issued by the Israeli interior ministry, all births go through the Israeli national registry, the essential products are all Israeli in this captive market. As I type this to the sound of the Israeli F16 hovering in the sky above, and as I look at the sea patrolled by Israeli cruisers, I am convinced that I am now inside Israel's one state reality in a Bantustan they call Gaza.
Aren't those people also deserving of living without fear and loss of rights?
You need to learn how to stop talking out of both sides of your mouth. You start out by saying that it's impossible to understand what Israel goes through and then in the next breath, you parrot every simpering cliche about Israel.To groggy and gryfin,
It is impossible for you or i, from the comfort of our cushy lives, to evaluate the policies and practices of Israel. It is impossible for us to understand or comprehend what it is like to live your life EVERY DAY in a tiny piece of land, surrounded by your sworn enemies (whose charters vow your destruction), never knowing when you will be attacked, when the air raid sirens will go off, or whether the bus you just got on had a woman with a backpack full of explosives fully willing to kill herself and the women and children that you see every day. What is your biggest concern on a daily basis? Where to get your latte? How many cable channels you should order from rogers? I' m sure it is not whether a rocket will land in your backyard. Through no fault of their own, FROM ITS BIRTH, this has been israel's history. They were innocents IN THE BEGINNING, and everything they have done since then has been to survive. We are in no position to judge, because we do not share their history. Have a good day...
Grow up and stop embarrassing yourself with stuff that only the most ill informed zionists trot out.
Farting.You need to learn how to stop talking out of both sides of your mouth. You start out by saying that it's impossible to understand what Israel goes through and then in the next breath, you parrot every simpering cliche about Israel.
Grow up and stop embarrassing yourself with stuff that only the most ill informed zionists trot out.
You're right, you only see the Palestinians as victims.Ah, the victim card again.
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If you wanted reasonable discourse you could try responding to the post I wrote."Grow up...."? That's the best you got? Ahh...how foolish of me to expect intelligent discourse! I suppose it is your position thst you have some kind of " special insight" into Arab-Israeli relations. That your "intelligence" is greater than mine...the zionist? Dude, you are one funny sumbitch...
Or do you prefer trading insults?
Here's yet another example - Syrian refugees are fine, just no more Syrians of Palestinian descent.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-...-face-horrible-conditions-in-lebanon-1.495685
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-...-face-horrible-conditions-in-lebanon-1.495685
