Apartheid analogy common among Israel's left

[fuji]

Another straw man argument, what a surprise.
2 for 2.

They are the reports on the state of human rights issues in Israel.
Policy is a different matter entirely.

And the UN has found that Israel is apartheid.

It is not a straw man, twerp. I provided his actual definitive mandate, which DOES NOT authorize him to speak for the UN.

Nor has the UN ever endorsed his reports. You tried to claim that OHCHR making them public was an endorsement but that was proved wrong.

The reports themselves say that they are being transmitted to, not from, the UN.

 

[groggy]

It is not a straw man,

It most certainly was another straw man.
Nowhere has it been stated that Falk's reports are UN policy.
You said:

They are not UN policy.

All you are left with in this argument is dishonest arguing techniques.
You have been unable to raise a single criticism against Falk's findings.

The UN clearly has investigated and found Israel to be apartheid.

 

[fuji]

Let's be clear:

Falk is not authorized to speak for the UN, his reports do not purport to be the view of the UN, and the UN has never endorsed his reports. The UN considers him to be independent and there is no reason to believe the UN agrees with anything in his reports and it is a lie to say that his reports represent the collective opinion of the UN.

 

[groggy]

Let's be clear:

Falk is not authorized to speak for the UN, his reports do not purport to be the view of the UN, and the UN has never endorsed his reports

Lets be accurate:
Falk is mandated to report for the UN and his reports are published on the site that represents the UN's findings on human rights issues in Israel.

The UN has found Israel to be apartheid.

 

[fuji]

Lets be accurate:
Falk is mandated to report for the UN and his reports are published on the site that represents the UN's findings on human rights issues in Israel.

That is not accurate. This is accurate:

Falk is mandated to report to the UN and his reports are made public for reference on the OHCHR website.

It was proved to you that OHCHR posts the reports as part of their standard procedures, posting them is not an endorsement and they are NOT findings of OHCHR.

 

[groggy]

That is not accurate. This is accurate:

Falk is mandated to report to the UN and his reports are made public for reference on the OHCHR website.

That is not accurate, this is accurate:
Falk is mandated to report to the UN and to the public.

The OHCHR is the voice of the UN on Israel human rights issues.
The reports published on the OHCHR site are the findings of is investigations into human rights issues.


The UN has found Israel to be apartheid.

That is accurate.

 

[fuji]

That is not accurate, this is accurate:
Falk is mandated to report to the UN and to the public.

This is true.

The OHCHR is the voice of the UN on Israel human rights issues.
The reports published on the OHCHR site are the findings of is investigations into human rights issues.

If the word "is" should have been "his", sure. If the word you meant was " its" that has been proved false with detailed references to the OHCHR operating manual.

OHCHR is required to post the reports of Special Rapporteurs, and it explicitly points out right on that page that they ate independent findings, not OHCHR's findings.

OHCHR considers the reports an input (explicitly stated in the operating manual), the reports are not an OHCHR output.

No matter how many times you try and dishonestly twist around the words, OHCHR has not endorsed those reports and he does not work on behalf of them or the UN.

But keep lying, it makes you look really, really stupid. Considering how thoroughly you have been refuted this is now more about your psychological problems accepting the truth.

 

[groggy]

This is true.

There's a start.

If the word "is" should have been "his", sure. If the word you meant was " its" that has been proved false with detailed references to the OHCHR operating manual.

And then you went off on a rail.

This is accurate:
Falk is mandated to report to the UN and to the public.

The OHCHR is the voice of the UN on Israel human rights issues.
The reports published on the OHCHR site are the findings of is investigations into human rights issues.

As mandated by the UN.

The UN has investigated and found Israel to be apartheid.

That is accurate.

 

[fuji]

This is accurate:
Falk is mandated to report to the UN and to the public.

This is true.

The OHCHR is the voice of the UN on Israel human rights issues.
The reports published on the OHCHR site are the findings of is investigations into human rights issues.

You still have the ambiguous typo, "is".

The reports are Falk's reports. They are NOT OHCHR reports. They are explicitly considered information to be received by OHCHR and considered as INPUTS, this is explicitly stated in the operating manual.

Pretending these reports are endorsed by or should be considered the word of OHCHR was proved false with detailed and authoritative references. If you persist with this made up claim you are lying.

Nowhere has either the UN nor OHCHR ever said they endorse Falk's reports and the claim that they would endorse anything without a formal statement saying so is just incredibly ludicrous. It has also been totally disproved

There is no longer a debate here, just you doing a clown dance trying to squirm away from clearly documented facts.

 

[groggy]

This is true.




You still have the ambiguous typo, "is".

The reports are Falk's reports. They are NOT OHCHR reports. They are explicitly considered information to be received by OHCHR and considered as INPUTS, this is explicitly stated in the operating manual.

They are UN reports, as noted by the UN letterhead.
They are the UN's findings on Israel's human rights issues.

And the UN has found that Israel is apartheid.

I repeat that you have raised only administrative quibbles and cannot find any fault with the actual reports.



Did you note the news that Turkey has issued arrest warrants to Interpol over the Gaza flotilla murders?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middl...er-gaza-flotilla-raid-201452623466643819.html
Another set of killings of civilians you called 'just and proper'.

You're on a roll.

 

[fuji]

They are UN reports, as noted by the UN letterhead.

This is a lie, proven false with references. They are reports being TRANSMITTED TO the UN, as explicitly stated on that letterhead. You are just lying.

The UN officially considers Falk or independent of the UN and his reports are not from the UN nor are they on behalf of the UN.

STOP LYING.

They are the UN's findings on Israel's human rights issues.

This is a blatant lie that has been thoroughly refuted with detailed references to authoritative sources.

You are just a lying clown.

 

[groggy]

This is a lie, proven false with references. They are reports being TRANSMITTED TO the UN

Not only transmitted.
They actually made it there, where they are posted as the findings of UN investigations into Israeli human rights issue.


Oh, did you write the OHCHR, using lots of caps and 'moron' insults yet?
'Cuz they're still posting the findings of their investigations into Israel human rights issues on the page they say is the voice for the UN on the matter.
http://www.ohchr.org/EN/countries/ME...s/PSIndex.aspx

The UN says Israel is apartheid.

 

[fuji]

Not only transmitted.
They actually made it there, where they are posted as the findings of UN investigations into Israeli human rights issue.

That is a blatant lie that has been proven false. They are not the findings of the UN, they are Falk's. He is not authorized to find things on behalf of the UN.

Oh, did you write the OHCHR, using lots of caps and 'moron' insults yet?
'Cuz they're still posting the findings of their investigations into Israel human rights issues on the page they say is the voice for the UN on the matter.

No they aren't, liar. They are not posting "their findings", that has been proven a lie.

You are just a fucking pathetic lying clown, you will go on lying regardless if how thoroughly you are proven wrong. They say officially, as the voice of the UN, that Falk is independent and that his reports are inputs to OHCHR, not outputs of OHCHR.

You have no self respect, no integrity. You know you are lying, you are pathetic.

 

[groggy]

That is a blatant lie that has been proven false. They are not the findings of the UN, they are Falk's. He is not authorized to find things on behalf of the UN.

Oh look, a straw man argument, what a surprise.

As if you really think that Falk is hired to search for items for the UN.

Falk's reports are the UN reports they commissioned to investigate Israel human rights issues on behalf of the UN, published on the site the UN calls the voice for Israel human rights issues.

The UN says Israel is apartheid.

 

[fuji]

On the contrary it is hard fact that Falk is not authorized to speak on behalf of the UN, but only to report back. OHCHR makes then public as input references svd not as OHCHR outputs. You are just lying.

All you do is lie, you are dishonest from head to toe, nothing you say is honest. You are a shameless liar.

Meanwhile Falk's mandate is fact.

http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/EF7E1F52C06A9CB885256AD2004B1194

4. Decides to appoint a special rapporteur with the following mandate:

(a) To investigate Israel's violations of the principles and bases of international law, international humanitarian law and the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12 August 1949, in the Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967;

(b) To receive communications, to hear witnesses, and to use such modalities of procedure as he may deem necessary for his mandate;

(c) To report, with his conclusions and recommendations, to the Commission on Human Rights at its future sessions, until the end of the Israeli occupation of those territories;

 

[groggy]

(c) To report, with his conclusions and recommendations, to the Commission on Human Rights at its future sessions, until the end of the Israeli occupation of those territories;

Yup, he reports his findings on behalf of the UN, the OHCHR publishes them on behalf of the UN as the voice on Israeli human rights issues and there you have it.
Exactly as mandated.


The UN says Israel is apartheid.

this is going really well, isn't it?

 

[fuji]

Yup, he reports his findings on behalf of the UN, the OHCHR publishes them on behalf of the UN as the voice on Israeli human rights issues and there you have it.
Exactly as mandated.

Blatantly lying doesn't help you, his mandate excludes him doing anything on behalf of anyone. Everyone with eyes can see you are a liar.

 

[groggy]

Blatantly lying doesn't help you, his mandate excludes him doing anything on behalf of anyone. Everyone with eyes cab see you are a liar.

I think you need more caps and a couple of 'moron's in that one.
Oh, and try the green, your arguments look really good in green.


Once you send Falk, the UN, the OHCHR and the UN HRC some nice angry and hopefully green letters and get the UN letterhead of his reports and then get them off UN sites we can talk.
Until then you can continue to call everyone liars while I post the link to his UN letterhead, UN reports on the UN site that is the voice for Israeli human rights issues.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/countries/ME...s/PSIndex.aspx


Enjoy.


The UN says Israel is apartheid.


Have we done this one enough or do you really need to call some more people liars?

 

[fuji]

I have no reason to send letters to the UN, OHCHR, or Falk. None of them claim claim he speaks on behalf of the UN.

YOU are the one exposed as a liar.

A normal person would have accepted the proved facts and adjusted, but not you: you don't care about facts. You are going to go on telling your lies even when you have been exposed.

You are just trolling now. You don't have anything serious to say, nobody believes you, you are a joke.

 

[groggy]

I have no reason to send letters to the UN, OHCHR, or Falk. None of them claim claim he speaks on behalf of the UN.

A normal person would have accepted the proved facts and adjusted, but not you: you don't care about facts. You are going to go on telling your lies even when you have been exposed.

Right.
Sigh.

Here, read this:
http://www.ohchr.org/EN/countries/ME...s/PSIndex.aspx


I think the reports are what you would call 'fact's, including the 'fact' that there's UN letterhead on the UN reports by the UN rapporteur.
Enjoy the facts, they say:

The UN says Israel is apartheid.