Anyone got a bridge for sale? Canadian truck takes out U.S. bridge.

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i been waiting all day for one of you to bring this up. i was hoping one of you would try and blame the truck so i could point out that he got a permit. once he gets the permit the DOT tells him what route to take, they gave him the route that included the bridge. so while blaming the truck is the easy way out in this case it is either the DOT for giving him the wrong route or the shipper for putting the wrong heights and weights on the bill of lading.
 

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i been waiting all day for one of you to bring this up. i was hoping one of you would try and blame the truck so i could point out that he got a permit. once he gets the permit the DOT tells him what route to take, they gave him the route that included the bridge. so while blaming the truck is the easy way out in this case it is either the DOT for giving him the wrong route or the shipper for putting the wrong heights and weights on the bill of lading.
You realize that just because he was given a route that doesn't give him carte blanche to drive too far over in the lane and put lives at risk. The driver says that he had pulled over to allow another truck to pass - which the driver should never have done anywhere near that bridge.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/24/us/washington-bridge-collapse
 

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If pulling over too far makes the whole bridge collapse then the bridge isn't structurally sound.
 

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So he had the required permits as well as an escort, sounds to me like bubba went too far to the edge and ended up clipping it.
Look at the picture below, up top the bridge is lower on the edges, or what would be the shoulder....

 

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i been waiting all day for one of you to bring this up. i was hoping one of you would try and blame the truck so i could point out that he got a permit. once he gets the permit the DOT tells him what route to take, they gave him the route that included the bridge. so while blaming the truck is the easy way out in this case it is either the DOT for giving him the wrong route or the shipper for putting the wrong heights and weights on the bill of lading.
btw simon, just because you have a permit it doesnt mean that you should shut your brain off. if he got the permit it means the load was able to clear the bridge...unless ofcourse you don't pay attention and decide to go on the shoulder :eyebrows:
 

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The Tijuana to Vancouver trucking route????

Didnt know those cities were such strong trading partners ;)
 

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Easy to see...from an engineering perspective how it collapsed. You strike that top cross member...the twist is relayed to the outer vertical structural component...that twists the base OFF the concrete..and wham, you lose the whole section in the drink.

Poor engineering for the application..... In fact surprising it has not occurred in the past!
 

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Easy to see...from an engineering perspective how it collapsed. You strike that top cross member...the twist is relayed to the outer vertical structural component...that twists the base OFF the concrete..and wham, you lose the whole section in the drink.

Poor engineering for the application..... In fact surprising it has not occurred in the past!
You are absolutely right. That's why it was termed a "structurally deficient bridge" it isn't that it was in poor repair, rather that the design of the bridge was such that a) it would not be currently be designed that way and b) failure of one member could cause the entire structure to fail.

I feel sorry for the driver, and I don't foresee any legal action against him.
 

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You are absolutely right. That's why it was termed a "structurally deficient bridge" it isn't that it was in poor repair, rather that the design of the bridge was such that a) it would not be currently be designed that way and b) failure of one member could cause the entire structure to fail.

I feel sorry for the driver, and I don't foresee any legal action against him.
By a US government agency, no less, just after it collapsed.

A question, was there a "height limit/minimum" sign posted on the entrance to the bridge ?

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You realize that just because he was given a route that doesn't give him carte blanche to drive too far over in the lane and put lives at risk. The driver says that he had pulled over to allow another truck to pass - which the driver should never have done anywhere near that bridge.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/24/us/washington-bridge-collapse
your own link says the bridge was functionally obsolete. every article i read on it says the driver was questioned and released without fine or infraction. that tells me the driver is not at fault.
 

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The relevant Department of Transport has confirmed that they issued the permit, but in doing so also confirmed that the permit does NOT guarantee clearances along any route: that remains the responsibility of the driver, along with the use of a pilot vehicle to verify clearance.

The trucker appears to bear full responsiblity for the damage he caused.
 

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The relevant Department of Transport has confirmed that they issued the permit, but in doing so also confirmed that the permit does NOT guarantee clearances along any route: that remains the responsibility of the driver, along with the use of a pilot vehicle to verify clearance.

The trucker appears to bear full responsiblity for the damage he caused.
link for that ? that is not what i hear out in the field. not in reference to this particular case but just in general conversation. over weight and height drivers are told where and when they can and can't drive and their route is planned for them start to finish. perhaps the shipper gave wrong info and the dot gave a permit based on that.

an example would be me this week. i picked up a load and was told it was 15k in weight and told it was only going to take 30 feet of space. reality is it was 35k in weight and took 43 feet of space. if you look at the paperwork though it says what i have is not really what i had.
 

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so i been following this with news reports that pop up on the sirius station i listen to. seems they have interviewed the driver, the pilot car and the trucking company management. no interview so far with the DOT guy or the shipper. so this is going to fall on the driver and the trucking company yet again. go after the easy target.
 

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so i been following this with news reports that pop up on the sirius station i listen to. seems they have interviewed the driver, the pilot car and the trucking company management. no interview so far with the DOT guy or the shipper. so this is going to fall on the driver and the trucking company yet again. go after the easy target.
Isn't that usually the situation? The driver catches the blame. A few things to ponder. Was the minimum route clearance based upon center lane clearance, or shoulder clearance? The clearance is supposed to be based upon the lowest clearance on the roadway. Pennsylvania used to have low clearance signs everywhere, because the shoulder clearances were less than 13'6". Quite an eye-opener at 3am when your eyes are starting to droop and you see a 12'8" low clearance warning sign. The signs in New York were worse. I don't know how they measured them, but actual clearance was usually about 2 ft. higher than posted clearance.

Don't know what the load height was or the bridge clearance, but anytime the load height comes fairly close to the posted clearance, good idea to slow down, just in case.

Too many bridges and roads in the US are in really poor shape. The interstates are falling apart. In the past year I've seen at least 20 accidents that were caused by bad roads.
 

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Isn't that usually the situation? The driver catches the blame. A few things to ponder. Was the minimum route clearance based upon center lane clearance, or shoulder clearance? The clearance is supposed to be based upon the lowest clearance on the roadway. Pennsylvania used to have low clearance signs everywhere, because the shoulder clearances were less than 13'6". Quite an eye-opener at 3am when your eyes are starting to droop and you see a 12'8" low clearance warning sign. The signs in New York were worse. I don't know how they measured them, but actual clearance was usually about 2 ft. higher than posted clearance.

Don't know what the load height was or the bridge clearance, but anytime the load height comes fairly close to the posted clearance, good idea to slow down, just in case.

Too many bridges and roads in the US are in really poor shape. The interstates are falling apart. In the past year I've seen at least 20 accidents that were caused by bad roads.
20 wrecks in a year ? jesus man, i don't know what you do but please get off the road.

edit- shit i read that wrong. i thought you said been in. sorry aboot that.

i agree the roads suck but that is depending on each state on how bad they are. when they give out permits the road ways given should have the lowest possible clearance on the route being higher than the highest part of the load. also the pilot car should have been out thre ahead of him and told him where to be on the road.

i never trust the bridge clearance signs as they are all off but luckily they are off ob the low side so you can always clear. i have been on a lot of bridges in WA and they are all marked. it is a trucking and shipping town.
 

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20 wrecks in a year ? jesus man, i don't know what you do but please get off the road.

edit- shit i read that wrong. i thought you said been in. sorry aboot that.

i agree the roads suck but that is depending on each state on how bad they are. when they give out permits the road ways given should have the lowest possible clearance on the route being higher than the highest part of the load. also the pilot car should have been out thre ahead of him and told him where to be on the road.

i never trust the bridge clearance signs as they are all off but luckily they are off ob the low side so you can always clear. i have been on a lot of bridges in WA and they are all marked. it is a trucking and shipping town.
On the interstates and main highways, clearances can usually be trusted, it's the ones in the cities that can sometimes be a problem. I remember one 13'10" clearance where they put in drainage, because of water buildup during hard rain. They ended up raising the road level by over 6 inches without changing the clearance. The day they reopened the road a reefer became a convertible. That was in Ft. Wayne, IN about 20 years back.

It's been several years since I've spent any time out west. Used to spend a lot of time between Seattle and Los Angeles. I don't miss LA, but I'd like to get back to Seattle for a visit.
 
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