any structural engineers or architects?

[Promo]

This is for you cackling cat:

There are too many variables and no previous events to compare the collapse of these buildings to. Experts far more qualified than guys on TERB can not give you an answer. So you can debate till you cackler gonads fall off and you will still not know what truly happened.

The experts have provided the answers and their peers have critiqued and agreed. I'm only pointing out the errors in YOUR post.

Your explanation is another explanation of my explanation. Did you use to cheat in school and copy up other people work in your own words?

But your explanation was completely wrong. Since no steel support columns existed on each floor they could not have "weakened and buckled". The karate chop example in no way applies to how the floors failed and pancaked.

As usual, you read something, didn't understand it and came on Terb pretending to be an expert: "I studied structural engineering and took metallurgy courses for three semesters".

 

[Promo]

From Architectural and Engineering experts. If you dare listen. On PBS !

Titalian, you really need to check your facts: http://www.pbs.org/ombudsman/2012/09/the_disaster_that_keeps_on_giving_1.html

Bottom line: It was not a PBS endorsed video and PBS had nothing to do with it's content and production. It was shown by an independent PBS station in Colorado, and PBS has since issued legal orders for the 9/11 Truth movement to stop using the PBS name in the marketing of the video.

That said, I admit I love watching this stuff. I just take it for what it is.

 

[SchlongConery]

As usual, you read something, didn't understand it and came on Terb pretending to be an expert: "I studied structural engineering and took metallurgy courses for three semesters".

I know, eh?

And he does so with such confidence!!! Maybe he should stick to finding deals on skids of toilet paper? (Anyone get the pun hidden in there?)

 

[Titalian]

Titalian, you really need to check your facts: http://www.pbs.org/ombudsman/2012/09/the_disaster_that_keeps_on_giving_1.html

Bottom line: It was not a PBS endorsed video and PBS had nothing to do with it's content and production. It was shown by an independent PBS station in Colorado, and PBS has since issued legal orders for the 9/11 Truth movement to stop using the PBS name in the marketing of the video.

That said, I admit I love watching this stuff. I just take it for what it is.

Thank you Promo, for at least taking the time to watch this presentation, which is more
than I can say for others. The sad truth is that this event will always have a dark shadow
surrounding the circumstances.

 

[TESLAMotors]

Thank you Promo, for at least taking the time to watch this presentation, which is more
than I can say for others. The sad truth is that this event will always have a dark shadow
surrounding the circumstances.

Yep, great way to sum it all up.

You can always add as a footnote: WTC#7 brought down because one column was compromised due to fire and debris and it fell down straight down beautifully, so said the government. :thumb:

 

[james t kirk]

Yep, great way to sum it all up.

You can always add as a footnote: WTC#7 brought down because one column was compromised due to fire and debris and it fell down straight down beautifully, so said the government. :thumb:

You are on crack already.

I don't know where you are coming up with this one column nonsense.

You've got THEE structural engineer who designed the fucking building in tears describing exactly what happened to the the building and you think you and the rest of the tinfoil hat crowd know fucking better?

Don't you think that he of all people would know what happened to his building? If there was even an iota of logic to the conspiracy nonsense that he of all people would say, "hey wait a minute "

 

[Ceiling Cat]

 

[Promo]

Thank you Promo, for at least taking the time to watch this presentation, which is more
than I can say for others. The sad truth is that this event will always have a dark shadow
surrounding the circumstances.

The one thing that has ALWAYS bothered me about the whole 9/11 WTC thing ........

They were able to find and identify tiny pieces of victims including fingernails and bone fragments. They were able to identify much of the structural materials and where they came from within each building. They even returned some people's possessions including pictures and jewelry, USB keys and phones.

I was in NYC about two years after 9/11 and the the tour guide said the crews went to 1000% effort (his wording) to try to find something from each victim so that the families could get closure. At that point-in-time they found something from all but 26 people (I can't remember the number, but it was small). <-- this stat amazed me. Sorting through 1,000,000s of pounds of rubble, they were able to accomplish this. The American know-how never ceases to amaze me!

........ But nothing from any of the flight data recorders, not even a scrap of metal. Recorders are not indestructible, but they've been know to survive 500mph crashes, major fires and extreme pressure 1000ft underwater. The crews performing the clean-up were trained what to look for. They found parts from 2970 people, but NOTHING from the recorders. Something is wrong here.

 

[TESLAMotors]

You are on crack already.

I don't know where you are coming up with this one column nonsense.

You've got THEE structural engineer who designed the fucking building in tears describing exactly what happened to the the building and you think you and the rest of the tinfoil hat crowd know fucking better?

Don't you think that he of all people would know what happened to his building? If there was even an iota of logic to the conspiracy nonsense that he of all people would say, "hey wait a minute "

NIST reports, one column compromised by fire/debris. Ask Fuji.

If we're going to go by expert opinions, then, neither of the twin towers should have been affected by either of the two planes. The buildings could sustain multiple hits, on any side by any jet liner.
I'm pretty confident you read the 9/11 thread, if you haven't. click here -> https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...2-US-scholar&p=5230935&viewfull=1#post5230935
It's been exhausting, but the "facts" from the government side, don't make any sense.
ie - not seeing molten metal at the site, column in 7, no pentagon videos, I could go on, just read the thread and jump in, I'll reply, don't you worry.

 

[Promo]

Great picture!!

 

[TESLAMotors]

The one thing that has ALWAYS bothered me about the whole 9/11 WTC thing ........

They were able to find and identify tiny pieces of victims including fingernails and bone fragments. They were able to identify much of the structural materials and where they came from within each buildings . They even returned some people's possessions including pictures and jewelry, USB keys and phones.

I was in NYC about two years after 9/11 and the the tour guide said the crews went to 1000% effort (exact wording) to try to find something from each victim so that the families could get closure. At that point-in-time they found something from all but 26 people (I can't remember the number, but it was small). <-- this stat amazed me. Sorting through 1,000,000s of pounds of rubble, they were able to accomplish this. The American know-how never ceases to amaze me!

Agreed, look at 9/11.

........ But nothing from any of the flight data recorders, not even a scrap of metal. Recorders are not indestructible, but they've been know to survive 500mph crashes, major fires and extreme pressure 1000ft underwater. The crews performing the clean-up were trained what to look. They found parts from 2970 people, but NOTHING from the recorders. Something is wrong here.

Great points, will look up recorders and their durability, that got me curious.
One other thing that has me wondering, the Pentagon, no video, just some 5sec clip of an explosion and there are 85 cameras around the Pentagon? Really?
Why not show what happened? *shrug*
Also the size of the damage done to the Pentagon, very small if you consider a plane apparently smashed into it. No pictures of the fuselage, the grass looked incredibly good too.

holy shit. 3:09

 

[Titalian]

Agreed, look at 9/11.



Great points, will look up recorders and their durability, that got me curious.
One other thing that has me wondering, the Pentagon, no video, just some 5sec clip of an explosion and there are 85 cameras around the Pentagon? Really?
Why not show what happened? *shrug*
Also the size of the damage done to the Pentagon, very small if you consider a plane apparently smashed into it. No pictures of the fuselage, the grass looked incredibly good too.

holy shit. 3:09

Good post Tes, Never mind the fuselage? What about the Titanium turbines Which btw only melt at 3200 degrees ?? But they said that the whole plane disintegrated. WHAT?

 

[TESLAMotors]

LOL @ What?


Just another thing to add to the list of amazing things (and failures) that happened that day.
Didn't know about the titanium turbines. Murphy's Law certainly had a field day on 9/11.

 

[basketcase]

Oh for Gawds sake, there is not one high rise structure in the world that has fallen due to fire, all of a sudden 3 in a row.

And how many high rise structures have had a plane smack into them at high speed with a large load of jet fuel?

Don't worry about trying to understand the science when your pre-existing conclusion can do all the work.

 

[Titalian]

And how many high rise structures have had a plane smack into them at high speed with a large load of jet fuel?

Don't worry about trying to understand the science when your pre-existing conclusion can do all the work.

No plane parts at all the crash sites

 

[Titalian]

Oh btw did you also hear about the jet engine that was dumped at the crash sight of the twin towers, It turns out it was the wrong engine for those planes !
Now what you suppose that was doing there

 

[basketcase]

No plane parts at all the crash sites

So instead of arguing the statement, you try to avoid it and change the topic. Burn the witch.

 

[james t kirk]

No plane parts at all the crash sites

Where did you come up with that from?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2315518/Plane-fragment-9-11-wedged-Manhattan-buildings.html

 

[Titalian]

Where did you come up with that from?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2315518/Plane-fragment-9-11-wedged-Manhattan-buildings.html

Ray Kelly told reporters the gear had a rope wrapped around it and may could have been lowered into the 18-inch gap lol

 

[TESLAMotors]

And how many high rise structures have had a plane smack into them at high speed with a large load of jet fuel?

Jet fuel that almost immediately burned up upon impact according to pilots in this discussion.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=28
"Jets burn about 1000-5000lbs per hour depending on airframes, powerplant... weight.. etc. And thats in a controlled environment with jet fuel being fed into the engine. Imagine you light it ALL on fire all at once... its gone."

Don't worry about trying to understand the science when your pre-existing conclusion can do all the work.

Don't worry about thinking for yourself, let the government do it for you vis-a-vis NIST.



A footnote: Buildings that survived fires. Poor New York City, lost 3 in one day due to fires.
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/other_fires/other_fires.htm