any structural engineers or architects?

[TESLAMotors]

Where did you come up with that from?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2315518/Plane-fragment-9-11-wedged-Manhattan-buildings.html

Maybe in a few more years we'll find documents pointing to the government knowing and/or being in on 9/11ncompetence day.

I'd still like to see video footage of a plane hitting the Pentagon.
What's that? No video?
Perhaps it didn't happen as we're told then.

Titalian makes a great point though.

 

[Titalian]

Thanks Tes. here's another little Tidbit if you don't want to watch the whole video go to time line 33:20
Watch what a 1" steel plat traveling at 750mph does to a stationary car ! Keep in mind the struts in outer building
were 4" thick wrap'd around 8" thick. The law of physics gentlemen.

 

[basketcase]

Jet fuel that almost immediately burned up upon impact according to pilots in this discussion....

And your answer to my question is no high rise buildings other than the two towers have been struck by passenger jets at high speed.

 

[Titalian]

And your answer to my question is no high rise buildings other than the two towers have been struck by passenger jets at high speed.

Speaking of jet fuel, what do you make of this article, on flight 93 ?

http://shoestring911.blogspot.ca/2009/03/why-was-there-no-jet-fuel-at-flight-93.html

 

[red]

I didn't want this to turn into another 911 thread. I just found the idea that the wtc design was unique to be odd. Why would a building which stood for fifty years never be replicated? I feel like Charlie brown in a Charlie brown christmas special waiting for linus

 

[Titalian]

I didn't want this to turn into another 911 thread. I just found the idea that the wtc design was unique to be odd. Why would a building which stood for fifty years never be replicated? I feel like Charlie brown in a Charlie brown christmas special waiting for linus

I apologize for being one of the hijackers of your original post. So to answer your original question, yes these towers were unique and very strong. This video might help answer some of your questions. Cheers!

 

[Titalian]

One last video red, if you could permit, I does have much to do with the with the integrity of these two magnificent buildings that were taken down.
I still have a picture with my ex-wife and myself on the Staten Island ferry
with the Twin Towers right behind us !!! Both of us cherish that picture.

 

[Promo]

I didn't want this to turn into another 911 thread. I just found the idea that the wtc design was unique to be odd. Why would a building which stood for fifty years never be replicated? I feel like Charlie brown in a Charlie brown christmas special waiting for linus

Turn's out the construction of the WTC isn't unique. A Google search yielded: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tube_(structure)

"The first building to apply the tube-frame construction was the DeWitt-Chestnut apartment building which Khan designed and which was completed in Chicago by 1963.[5] This laid the foundations for the tube structural design of many later skyscrapers, including his own John Hancock Center and Willis Tower, and the construction of the World Trade Center, Petronas Towers, Jin Mao Building, and most other supertall skyscrapers since the 1960s, including the world's current tallest building, the Burj Khalifa.


Here's some good pictures of the construction of the tower: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1234697

 

[TESLAMotors]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Operation Northwoods was a series of proposals for actions against the Cuban government, that originated within the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962.
The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other US government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba.

 

[TESLAMotors]

One last video red, if you could permit, I does have much to do with the with the integrity of these two magnificent buildings that were taken down.
I still have a picture with my ex-wife and myself on the Staten Island ferry
with the Twin Towers right behind us !!! Both of us cherish that picture.

Hear the audience's shocked voices at 7:21? lol

I like the answer for how do you get explosives past people in a busy building. 12:23

At 23:25 he raises an excellent question and makes a great point.

 

[basketcase]

I didn't want this to turn into another 911 thread. I just found the idea that the wtc design was unique to be odd. Why would a building which stood for fifty years never be replicated? I feel like Charlie brown in a Charlie brown christmas special waiting for linus

Not quite unique but not common. I gave you the answer already. It is simpler and cheaper to build using traditional methods so tube type designs aren't used unless the height requires it.

Even the early tube buildings didn't actually require a non-traditional design but rather were proof of concept.

 

[james t kirk]

When the Structural Engineer who designed the WTC - Leslie E Robertson publically says that he believes that the WTC were brought down by a controlled demolition team planting charges in the buildings, I will consider the possibility.

Until then, anyone who espouses a conspiracy theory on the WTC collapse is a crack pot.

 

[Titalian]

When the Structural Engineer who designed the WTC - Leslie E Robertson publically says that he believes that the WTC were brought down by a controlled demolition team planting charges in the buildings, I will consider the possibility.

Until then, anyone who espouses a conspiracy theory on the WTC collapse is a crack pot.

Why only him ?? There's other professional opinions on this subject ! I suppose the last video i posted got to you got to you somewhat. Did you take a look at the bent steel. There's too many unanswered questions.

 

[Promo]

When the Structural Engineer who designed the WTC - Leslie E Robertson publically says that he believes that the WTC were brought down by a controlled demolition team planting charges in the buildings, I will consider the possibility.

I definitely agree. There has been a wealth of independent, scientific testing and analysis from sources I trust and they all basically agree with Robertson's assessment of the failure. I try to keep an open mind and have watched and read allot of the conspiracy theory stuff, but so far I haven't found anything compelling, although certainly interesting. I've not looked at any of the WTC 7 stuff and may in the near future. I admit I have no expertise, other than my non-related professional engineering background.

Only thing I think is being BSed about is the flight recorders. No way all 4 completely disappeared.

Someone above mentioned that they didn't find parts of the plane and engines in the debris. Not true - I saw a fair bit in the museum and in most of the TV specials they showed video inside the warehouse where they were "rebuilding" the jets as part of the investigation.

Also someone above mentioned there are no videos of the Pentagon damage. I would 100% expect that. It's one of the most secure building in the US and it's been hardened against terrorism and spy tech. They don't want any bad-guys to be able to examine the video or pictures in order to overcome their defenses. Makes sense to me.

 

[james t kirk]

Why only him ?? There's other professional opinions on this subject ! I suppose the last video i posted got to you got to you somewhat. Did you take a look at the bent steel. There's too many unanswered questions.

You mean the youtube video presented by the British Manufacturing Engineer?

As opposed to the video I posted of THEE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WHO DESIGNED THE WORLD TRADE CENTER??

That video?

 

[benstt]

If you can believe it, there are loons who think the Boston bombings were staged.

 

[Titalian]

You mean the youtube video presented by the British Manufacturing Engineer?

As opposed to the video I posted of THEE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WHO DESIGNED THE WORLD TRADE CENTER??

That video?

I watched your Youtube video. Again no mention of building 7 !!!

 

[TESLAMotors]

When the Structural Engineer who designed the WTC - Leslie E Robertson publically says that he believes that the WTC were brought down by a controlled demolition team planting charges in the buildings, I will consider the possibility.

Until then, anyone who espouses a conspiracy theory on the WTC collapse is a crack pot.

/36:48 - the CONSTRUCTION MANAGER of the WTC buildings recorded in January of 2001




""the bldg was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it, the building could probably sustain multiple impacts from jetliners, because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door, the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing the screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen nettting." describing how the buildings could take multiple hits from jet liners, the (tube) structure could take the hits.

37:22 - WORLD TRADE CENTER STRUCTURAL ENGINEER
describing how a 300 ton plane hitting a building designed to carry a 13,000 ton building wouldn't do anything.
Btw this recording was clearly from the 70's or early 80s judging by the glasses. lol

37:43 - (ANOTHER) WTC STRUCTURAL ENGINEER
"we designed the building to take the impact of the Boeing 707 hitting the building in any location"

37:50 - the CHIEF ELECTRICAL DESIGN ENGINEER of the WTC
"the plane already hit but what I noticed was, the lights were still in the lobby. That led me to believe that the plane never got to the core columns.... because the feeds for all the lights were in the core columns."

 

[TESLAMotors]

When the Structural Engineer who designed the WTC - Leslie E Robertson publically says that he believes that the WTC were brought down by a controlled demolition team planting charges in the buildings, I will consider the possibility.

Until then, anyone who espouses a conspiracy theory on the WTC collapse is a crack pot.

Leslie Roberts before 911

“Leslie Robertson, one of the two original structural engineers for the World Trade Center, is asked at a conference in Frankfurt, Germany what he had done to protect the twin towers from terrorist attacks. He replies, ‘I designed it for a 707 to smash into it,’ though does not elaborate further.”[7]
[Leslie Robertson:] “The twin towers were in fact the first structures outside the military and nuclear industries designed to resist the impact of a jet airplane."

 

[TESLAMotors]

Typing on my phone so the posts might be choppy.