Angus Reid, libs now at 42%!!!

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Um, the liberals did massively lower immigration and international students.
Are you whining about last year's problem?
They did not lower it significantly. What are you whining about? Cannot handle facts?
 
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You should tell that to universities that are all going broke and shutting down programs.
Tell that to the people who can barely afford an apartment, the people that got to share apartment with multiple people and the ones that may never own a home. You are delusional. A 3 1/2 apartment is going for $2500 these days. Courtesy of the Trudeau Liberals and their mass immigration policy.
 

mandrill

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What is laughable is your failure to understand the most basic laws of economics, the law of supply and demand. Trudeau caused it with his mass immigration policy. He was bringing in over 1.5 million ppl per year. What do you think? Having more ppl looking for an apartment will not make prices go up? Lol The CMHC has said it will take over a decade to restore supply to match demand and that is if mass immigration is shut down. It is like if you got a leak on your boat, you cannot stop sinking by pumping water out, you got to seal the leak. Same principal. The Century Initiative is a corporate lobby group with ties to Blackrock and the McKinsey agency where the Trudeau government awarded millions of dollars in government contracts. There was an audit on this btw. Trudeau is crooked and so is Carbon Tax Carney.

And look at more reliable information sources besides the TorontoStar which is a known far-left wing source. And you quoted The Globe and Mail who are spreading lies about Poilievre to protect the Century Initiative, their partner.
House prices and apartment rents have been going up steadily since the 1980's.
 
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The Liberal government created this mess in the first place. If they really want to help they need to shut down the influx of asylum seekers and uncontrolled immigration. Trudeau brought in hundreds of thousands of refugees when there are so many homeless. The homeless population has tripled since covid. I hear many hotels in Niagara Falls has been taken by the Federal government to house refugees. Funding is not the answer because it means the taxpayers have to pay for that.
Again, Trudeau doesn't "bring in" refugees. Asylum treaties were signed by Diefenbaker in the 1950's and the refugees have been coming in steadily since the 1980's and are a small number of people relative to the population as a whole.

Housing inflation is happening everywhere, except in small towns which are dying and which are in a net population loss situation. Toronto is in a continuous decades-long population boom and much of that is due to immigration, but heavy immigration has been happening since the 1950's.

In the 60's and 70's, builders were building miles of subdivisions every year and that population increase was being housed. This appears not to be happening any more.

So I suspect that the problem is at least as much supply side as demand side.
 

mandrill

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Tell that to the people who can barely afford an apartment, the people that got to share apartment with multiple people and the ones that may never own a home. You are delusional. A 3 1/2 apartment is going for $2500 these days. Courtesy of the Trudeau Liberals and their mass immigration policy.
I agree. The standard of living in Southern Ontario is collapsing. But I don't think PeePee and the CPC is going to solve the problem and certainly not by stopping immigration.

Stop immigration and you have a country with a collapsing birth rate and a rapidly aging population. And frankly, I think PeePee's only real intention is to get into power and cut deals for his buddies. If he had real, genuine ideas to solve the housing problem, he would have announced it months ago, explained it and campaigned on it and 90% of Canadians - me included - would be voting for him.

Kicking out black and brown people is very probably NOT the solution for the housing crisis.
 
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Tell that to the people who can barely afford an apartment, the people that got to share apartment with multiple people and the ones that may never own a home. You are delusional. A 3 1/2 apartment is going for $2500 these days. Courtesy of the Trudeau Liberals and their mass immigration policy.
Tell that to DoFo, who cut rent control and is responsible for the lowest housing starts in the country and the lowest in Ontario in decades.
Housing is provincial, not federal.
 

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You should tell that to universities that are all going broke and shutting down programs.
Oh really?

Certainly you don't mean the U of T who had a net income of $508 million in 2024 and have net assets of about $9.9 billion.

And certainly not Queen's University who posed a net income of $76 million in 2024 and have net assets of about $2.3 billion.

Neither the University of Waterloo who posted a net income of $67 million in 2024 and have net assets of about $1.4 billion.
https://uwaterloo.ca/finance/about-finance/audited-financial-statements

Here's McGill University in depressed Quebec where they only charge just about $3,500 tuition for Quebec residents

Still have an operating net income of $1 million and are sitting on about $2.1 billion in net assets.

OK I found one for ya
Memorial University Nfld.
They lost $18.7 million in 2024 and have a net deficiency of about $53 million. But wait let's go back to 2019 to see what these numbers were. Oh they lost $3.4 million. Oh and they had a deficiency of $72 million. Worse than present day.

Henceforth you shall now be known in my books as Fake News Frankie.
 

Frankfooter

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Oh really?

Certainly you don't mean the U of T who had a net income of $508 million in 2024 and have net assets of about $9.9 billion.

And certainly not Queen's University who posed a net income of $76 million in 2024 and have net assets of about $2.3 billion.

Neither the University of Waterloo who posted a net income of $67 million in 2024 and have net assets of about $1.4 billion.
https://uwaterloo.ca/finance/about-finance/audited-financial-statements

Here's McGill University in depressed Quebec where they only charge just about $3,500 tuition for Quebec residents

Still have an operating net income of $1 million and are sitting on about $2.1 billion in net assets.

OK I found one for ya
Memorial University Nfld.
They lost $18.7 million in 2024 and have a net deficiency of about $53 million. But wait let's go back to 2019 to see what these numbers were. Oh they lost $3.4 million. Oh and they had a deficiency of $72 million. Worse than present day.

Henceforth you shall now be known in my books as Fake News Frankie.
You're looking at old numbers, the cuts are just hitting now with massive program cuts in Ontario universities especially. Ford capped tuition years ago and froze funding, so universities were forced to use international students to cover funding losses. The shit is just hitting the fans now.



 

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Tell that to the people who can barely afford an apartment, the people that got to share apartment with multiple people and the ones that may never own a home. You are delusional. A 3 1/2 apartment is going for $2500 these days. Courtesy of the Trudeau Liberals and their mass immigration policy.
Listen for once. It was Doug Ford who lifted the rental restrictions. That is when the greedy landlords decided to evict their tenants in order to do some sort of menial renovations to justify raising their rental prices. Are you saying that Ford does not take any blame in this respect, as the rental prices were becoming an issue since 2018?
 
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As I said in my previous post, these temporary residents are competing with Canadians for apartments. And yes that is what businesses say but the truth they are seeking cheap labor. Many businesses post ads that never get filled. I know many people who apply for jobs to never get a callback. The businesses like the TFW, you do know that the Federal Government subsidizes a portion of those wages to hire temporary foreign workers? I hear Toronto has a high unemployment rate these days. So why keep on bringing temporary foreign workers? Yep about the crowded residences, it is disgusting what the Trudeau Liberals did. They clearly are elitists helping the rich get more richer.
At least you agree that these greedy landlords are getting richer and richer with their evictions of their tenants and then skyrocketing the rental prices.
Many of these migrant University students can no longer afford these prices. Neither can those seeking asylum. That is why they are moving in droves to the suburbs or boonies where it is more affordable. We know that Ford's Conservatives did not give a crap about their rash actions that started causing this whole dilemma in the first place!!

Of course they are. They just care to make profits. International students is big business for them. But what do they care if the students find work after they finish? With so many international students, it is raising the averages. It is getting much harder to get admitted into a program.

Many of these vacancies in Universities were not being filled in by the locals, and it was a bonus for the Universities to have some of these very highly qualified students who eventually were given citizenships and went on to benefit the economy as it was difficult to find these talented individuals in several of the vacancies. I know this from the first hand knowledge. We in Canada have always set the bar very high with respect to admitting the migrants to Canada. Most Advanced Nations have admitted that Canada is a Prime Example as compared to the EU nations and The USA!!

The amount of foreigners represents a small proportion. The biggest issue is there is a big mismatch between supply and demand. It is as simple at that! Trudeau brought in way more people then there are new construction of houses and apartments. Also your buddy Carney is proposing densification, which aligns with their climate change philosophy. People come to Canada for the quality of life to have a house with a backyard, with lots of space. They want to turn it into people living in a small overpriced condo with 100 story buildings everywhere where everyone takes public transit. Landlords would not be able to use real estate as investment if there were not so many people. Over two decades ago owners started to rent out their basements in the GTA and now it is accepted. Now I hear that rooms are being divided to cram more people.
Listen, that in the past decades, a sizeable number of migrants who were talented, then came to Canada with just a few dollars in their bank accounts. They worked two and three jobs for seven days a week to get their families up and running. Eventually, many of them opened their own businesses and contributed significantly to our economy in the number of jobs that were created. They could then purchase the houses of their dreams. Of course the new house constructions fell significantly under the recession, and thanks to the Harper Government, whose real aim was to push up the property prices. This was then exacerbated by Ford's desire to scrap the rental price restrictions. Of course you will only point the blame at the Federal Liberals.
The Canadians especially the younger generation are awakening as they know how hollow Pee Pee's promises are resonating with them. His one big promise was to increase the TFSA contributions by $5000. These younger generations instead want that extra $5000 of their hard savings to be invested in affordable housing that the Liberals in tandem with the Municipalities and Provincial Governments have already kick started. Yet Pee Pee voted against such measures and has not spelled out why he did so when he is "promising" to build affordable housing!!

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The Liberal government created this mess in the first place. If they really want to help they need to shut down the influx of asylum seekers and uncontrolled immigration. Trudeau brought in hundreds of thousands of refugees when there are so many homeless. The homeless population has tripled since covid. I hear many hotels in Niagara Falls has been taken by the Federal government to house refugees. Funding is not the answer because it means the taxpayers have to pay for that.
We had a previous Harper Government that treated these asylum seekers worse than animals in the manner in which they were locked up in poor facilities. That included the Afghans who worked with the Canadian Forces etc. Say no more!!

 
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The latest Ipsos poll conducted exclusively for Global News shows both the Liberals and new party leader Mark Carney are continuing to pick up momentum since the election began last Sunday. The Conservatives have also gained ground, to the detriment of the New Democrats and Bloc Quebecois.

The poll found 44 per cent of decided voters would vote for the Liberals, up two points from polling conducted a week before the election. The Conservatives earned 38 per cent support, also up two points, while the NDP has dropped one point to nine per cent.

The Liberals now hold a six-point lead over the Conservatives in this poll, a drop of one point from the seven-point lead they held in polling on March 18.
Carney has meanwhile widened his lead over Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre among party leaders seen as the best choice for prime minister, with 44 per cent choosing Carney versus 33 per cent for Poilievre. NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh’s popularity has fallen four points to just eight per cent.

Among voters polled, Carney holds double-digit leads over Poilievre on attributes like being the best leader to stand up to U.S. President Donald Trump, represent Canada on the world stage and manage tough economic times. The Liberal leader is also seen as the potential prime minister with the best temperament and maturity for the job.

Poilievre, on the other hand, “only leads on negative statements,” Ipsos found — including being seen as “having a hidden agenda,” as someone “who will say anything to get elected,” and as “someone who is in over their head.”
Other top election issues identified in the poll were health care —which was picked by 28 per cent of voters — followed by housing (26 per cent), the economy (23 per cent), taxes (18 per cent), immigration (14 per cent), unemployment and jobs (13 per cent), and interest rates and inflation (13 per cent).

The Liberals were seen as the party best suited to address health care, the economy, and unemployment. Voters saw the Conservatives as best equipped to handle housing, taxes, immigration and inflation.
 

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Trump will continue with new and unique ways to cripple, destroy and mutilate the Canada economy towards annexation irregardless of which ever party or coalition forms the next Canadian government from day one.
Canadian is on tract to go into a painful recession in 2025, with America going into a milder recession as long as Trump keeps the tariff attacks going.
The next Canadian PM will be walking on egg shells for the foreseeable future and a Carney win will provoke a Canadian unity crisis with Alberta more than a Poilievre win. Trump is after a destabilizing Carney win along with Smith to promote maximum division in the West.
 
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House prices and apartment rents have been going up steadily since the 1980's.
Agreed, a gradual increase is always there. A 150k -200k increase in 10 years is fine. But housing prices suddenly increased a lot 200k to 400k in 2016 , atleast in gta. Then it kept on increasing at rapid pace. How this can happen?.
 

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Tell that to the people who can barely afford an apartment, the people that got to share apartment with multiple people and the ones that may never own a home. You are delusional. A 3 1/2 apartment is going for $2500 these days. Courtesy of the Trudeau Liberals and their mass immigration policy.
Rents have come down. Immigration is down. Reading facts is important



please stop spewing misinformation.



Deal with it
 

mandrill

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Agreed, a gradual increase is always there. A 150k -200k increase in 10 years is fine. But housing prices suddenly increased a lot 200k to 400k in 2016 , atleast in gta. Then it kept on increasing at rapid pace. How this can happen?.
Housing prices suddenly spiralled in the US in 2021-2022 after COVID, which set up Trump's electoral win. Sometimes there are strange jumps.

If a gradual increase in immigration cause house prices to rise over time - and it probably does - surely that doesn't explain a massive jump in 1 year, before the immigration increase actually takes place.
 

huntethan2023

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Housing prices suddenly spiralled in the US in 2021-2022 after COVID, which set up Trump's electoral win. Sometimes there are strange jumps.

If a gradual increase in immigration cause house prices to rise over time - and it probably does - surely that doesn't explain a massive jump in 1 year, before the immigration increase actually takes place.
2021-22 is different, lowest interest rates, so everyone was buying crazy.
2015 Liberals happened and there you go real estate burst. Slowly Toronto became Vancouver, under Liberals, all Chinese governed. And uncontrolled immigration added to it.
 

mandrill

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2021-22 is different, lowest interest rates, so everyone was buying crazy.
2015 Liberals happened and there you go real estate burst. Slowly Toronto became Vancouver, under Liberals, all Chinese governed. And uncontrolled immigration added to it.
So the Chinese control the Liberals and they plot to allow uncontrolled immigration to destabilize house prices?

Holy shit! What a dastardly plot!!! Is that like PeePee being run by Modi?
 

huntethan2023

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So the Chinese control the Liberals and they plot to allow uncontrolled immigration to destabilize house prices?

Holy shit! What a dastardly plot!!! Is that like PeePee being run by Modi?
I never said immigration controlled by Chinese. Please read and then reply. :) ..no hurry
 
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