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Is that a party you trust?
I trust a party that knows when it's made a mistake is not afraid to admit it or adapt to when circumstances change.

I can't trust any party/cult who have tDS, trump Devotee Syndrome, and steadfastly refuse to accept that their lord and saviour could ever possibly make a mistake, because he is GOD. That, I could never trust because they do not live in our reality.
 

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They did not drop it, they changed it based on how our trading partners are changing. Is it not clear to you after ALL this time that Canada is not powerful enough a nation to do WTF it wants? GROW UP!!! geez.
They didn't change it based on trading partners. The Liberals changed it because they were severely down in the poles and their own MPs were urging their leaders to drop it in their jurisdictions. SO Trudeau started dropping it in select places due to pressure from his own MPs.

Poilievre has been saying he would drop it for years and built his campaign on it.

You're being played. You may not realize it or want to admit it, but trust me...you are.
 

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They didn't change it based on trading partners. The Liberals changed it because they were severely down in the poles and their own MPs were urging their leaders to drop it in their jurisdictions. SO Trudeau started dropping it in select places due to pressure from his own MPs.

Poilievre has been saying he would drop it for years and built his campaign on it.

You're being played. You may not realize it or want to admit it, but trust me...you are.
So you are saying they changed it to improve their chances of winning the election and PP said he would change it to improve his chances of winning the election? 🙄 Potato Potaaato
 

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I trust a party that knows when it's made a mistake is not afraid to admit it or adapt to when circumstances change.

I can't trust any party/cult who have tDS, trump Devotee Syndrome, and steadfastly refuse to accept that their lord and saviour could ever possibly make a mistake, because he is GOD. That, I could never trust because they do not live in our reality.
"When it's made a mistake?" Is that what we're calling it now?

Lol! Liberal apologists are funny.
 

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So you are saying they changed it to improve their chances of winning the election and PP said he would change it to improve his chances of winning the election? 🙄 Potato Potaaato
Poilievre wasn't the one who introduced that tax and he wasn't the one who forced it upon people while increasing it along the way.

So no "Potato Potaato", but nice try.

Why do you like being played? Or do you just accept being lied to?
 

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How many farmers, construction workers, plumbers, electricians, carpenters, gas fitters etc. do you think are responding to pollsters? Or accountants who are in the midst of their busiest season?
The ones who are more than likely responding are people who are sitting at home, smoking weed and playing video games all day.
Hence the results. Polling is junk science, much like climatology.
Not even. It is usually the ones over 65 the first ones to vote and they are usually the ones responding to polls. As per the data, the majority of Liberal supporters are coming from the 65+ people. Why? Because they do not care that the Liberals caused a housing crisis with mass immigration. Baby boomers are most likely to already own a home who got it with the income of a middle class person, they most likely have their mortgage paid off. They benefit a lot from the social programs and also from real estate values increasing.
 

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What about the big fat tax cut for the rich? Will he raise the retirement age?
What about the Liberals mass immigration policy to make the rich more richer? The Liberals caused the housing crisis. A 3 1/2 apartment in Toronto is going for $2500 a month these days.


^^^^^ Carney is buddies with a sleazeball named Mark Wiseman who started the Century Initiative. Its goal is to have 100 million people by 2100. That is total madness. This represents the biggest threat to the working class way more then Trump. Their goal is to cause real estate to become more expensive, food more expensive, everything that would benefit the rich and put the average joe poorer. Is this the type of government you want in power? Do you want the GTA to have 33.5 million people? To reach that target they need to have 780,000 people enter Canada annually till the turn of the Century. With the healthcare crisis and housing crisis, does that make sense to you? I suspect you already own a home and do not care.
 

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What about the Liberals mass immigration policy to make the rich more richer? The Liberals caused the housing crisis. A 3 1/2 apartment in Toronto is going for $2500 a month these days.


^^^^^ Carney is buddies with a sleazeball named Mark Wiseman who started the Century Initiative. Its goal is to have 100 million people by 2100. That is total madness. This represents the biggest threat to the working class way more then Trump. Their goal is to cause real estate to become more expensive, food more expensive, everything that would benefit the rich and put the average joe poorer. Is this the type of government you want in power? Do you want the GTA to have 33.5 million people? To reach that target they need to have 780,000 people enter Canada annually till the turn of the Century. With the healthcare crisis and housing crisis, does that make sense to you? I suspect you already own a home and do not care.
Housing is a provincial and municipal responsibility. They have failed so badly that the Feds have had to become involved.
 

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Housing is a provincial and municipal responsibility. They have failed so badly that the Feds have had to become involved.
The Feds are to blame for this also. They are not innocent. They had uncontrolled immigration since Trudeau got elected. You cannot discount the Century Initiative. But I do agree that all levels of government are responsible but the main culprit is the Federal Government. They are also responsible for the ailing healthcare system. I know it is provincially managed, but piling on hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers who crowd the hospitals because they are getting healthcare for free is a big part of the problem.
 

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The Feds are to blame for this also. They are not innocent. They had uncontrolled immigration since Trudeau got elected. You cannot discount the Century Initiative. But I do agree that all levels of government are responsible but the main culprit is the Federal Government. They are also responsible for the ailing healthcare system. I know it is provincially managed, but piling on hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers who crowd the hospitals because they are getting healthcare for free is a big part of the problem.
they did control it, they set quotas, Everyone knew where they would most likely end up. BUT IMHO its not really the pop increase only to blame. There is a vast amount of money laundering that has also driven up RE prices.
 
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yet you guys were predicting a Liberal slaughter based on polls just 1 month ago.
It should be a Liberal slaughter given their woeful track record from the past decade. The only thing that's propping them up is over half of NDP supporters switching their vote to them. Its a strategic ploy as the Liberals and NDP have joined forces behind the scenes. The Liberals are paying them off since the NDP is bankrupt financially.
 
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It should be a Liberal slaughter given their woeful track record from the past decade. The only thing that's propping them up is over half of NDP supporters switching their vote to them. Its a strategic ploy as the Liberals and NDP have joined forces behind the scenes. The Liberals are paying them off since the NDP is bankrupt financially.
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It should be a Liberal slaughter given their woeful track record from the past decade. The only thing that's propping them up is over half of NDP supporters switching their vote to them. Its a strategic ploy as the Liberals and NDP have joined forces behind the scenes. The Liberals are paying them off since the NDP is bankrupt financially.
Hey, Kirk!

What about all the people who must realize how "corrupt and incompetent" the Libs are and who are going to switch their votes to superman PeePee?!?!?!?!

Shouldn't the Tories be getting 80% of the vote right now, instead of heading for one of the greatest electoral disasters in Canadian history???!

Could it possibly be that PeePee just makes most Canadians puke up their breakfast?
 
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The Feds are to blame for this also. They are not innocent. They had uncontrolled immigration since Trudeau got elected. You cannot discount the Century Initiative. But I do agree that all levels of government are responsible but the main culprit is the Federal Government. They are also responsible for the ailing healthcare system. I know it is provincially managed, but piling on hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers who crowd the hospitals because they are getting healthcare for free is a big part of the problem.
Immigration is controlled, but quotas are set very high - deliberately - to offset falling domestic birthrates.

The problem is that provision of services like doctors and housing stock has fallen way behind - which is a fuckup of decades of both Liberal and Tory provincial governments.

GTA housing prices have been spiralling since the 1980's through various Tory and Lib governments at both the fed and provincial level. This isn't a problem solely caused by Justin.

The other issue is that PeePee has yet to put forward any convincing policy platforms for much of anything - let alone difficult problems like the housing price spiral. PeePee is a whiny little fucker who hates and chants slogans. I have no confidence that he will do anything constructive if he is elected. If anything, he will toss even more favours to rich developers while throwing out anti immigrant slogans for his base.

This is a problem with the CPC. They simply don't produce quality leadership because the bulk of the party is now rooted in small town SaskBerta. Hence career party workers like Pee and Scheer rising to leadership positions. If they had kept Erin O' Toole - who at least had a law degree and an armed services background - and put out a convincing platform on key issues, I would vote Tory and happily.

But the Tories fail to do this. Scheer was so fuck-dumb that he failed his insurance agent exams multiple times. And don't even get me started on the way they sucked the dicks of the KKKonvoy thugs and fawned over Trump and kissed his ass!
 
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Immigration is controlled, but quotas are set very high - deliberately - to offset falling domestic birthrates.

The problem is that provision of services like doctors and housing stock has fallen way behind - which is a fuckup of decades of both Liberal and Tory provincial governments.

GTA housing prices have been spiralling since the 1980's through various Tory and Lib governments at both the fed and provincial level. This isn't a problem solely caused by Justin.

The other issue is that PeePee has yet to put forward any convincing policy platforms for much of anything - let alone difficult problems like the housing price spiral. PeePee is a whiny little fucker who hates and chants slogans. I have no confidence that he will do anything constructive if he is elected. If anything, he will toss even more favours to rich developers while throwing out anti immigrant slogans for his base.

This is a problem with the CPC. They simply don't produce quality leadership because the bulk of the party is now rooted in small town SaskBerta. Hence career party workers like Pee and Scheer riding to leadership positions. If they had kept Erin O' Toole - who at least had a law degree and an armed services background - and put out a convincing platform on key issues, I would vote Tory and happily.

But the Tories fail to do this. Scheer was so fuck-dumb that he failed his insurance agent exams multiple times. And don't even get me started on the way they sucked the dicks of the KKKonvoy thugs and fawned over Trump and kissed his ass!
Oh yeah he is gonna jail Fentanyl smugglers for life as well has human traffickers. I wonder how many hobbyists might get LIFE SENTENCES due to some unfortunate circumstances. I don't partake in Canada anymore so I am safe, but what about you guys.
 

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Oh yeah he is gonna jail Fentanyl smugglers for life as well has human traffickers. I wonder how many hobbyists might get LIFE SENTENCES due to some unfortunate circumstances. I don't partake in Canada anymore so I am safe, but what about you guys.
It's all bullshit for the rubes.

The judges control sentencing, not a little turd like Pee. And the Supreme Court of Canada has already declared minimum sentences for drug importation unconstitutional. That happened 40 fucking years ago in the 1980's.

That's another reason I despise Pee. He lies like a little chunk of feces all the time.
 
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And it all melts down at CPC HQ, as the denizens realize that they will never manage a political campaign again and will spend the rest of their lives working at minimum wage fast food jobs...




As Conservative infighting over how the campaign is handling U.S. President Donald Trump's tariff threats spills into the open, sources within the party are describing a "dysfunctional" campaign with too much centralized power and belittling and aggressive treatment of staff.

More than half a dozen Conservatives, who spoke to CBC News on the condition they not be named for fear of retribution, describe a campaign that is "highly disorganized" and "a mess." The sources include individuals both inside and outside the campaign.

Several of the sources allege that too many decisions have to go through Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre's chief strategist, Jenni Byrne.


"Jenni's in charge and that's all you know," said one Conservative campaign worker, who described the situation as dysfunctional.

There's no evidence of a master plan, said the Conservative, and people are left to figure things out themselves.

Sources said some people learned what they'd be doing on the campaign just hours before the race officially began — even though the Conservatives have been calling for an election since 2024.

Relying on 'tight inner circle'
One source described how the campaign didn't have some "basic stuff" in place before the writ was issued.

Poilievre and Byrne are not inclined to listen to outside advice, sources said, relying instead on "a tight inner circle," which is composed, in part, of people who also work at Byrne's lobby firm outside the campaign period.

The frustration is amplified because Conservatives have gone from anticipating they would form a majority government to seeing a dramatic rebirth for the Liberals under its new leader, Mark Carney, fuelled by concerns over Donald Trump's plans for Canada.


Too many decisions have to go through Poilievre’s chief strategist, Jenni Byrne, several sources allege. (Adrian Wyld/The Canadian Press)
CBC's Poll Tracker suggests the Liberals are now most likely to form government — and claim a majority.

CBC News reached out to the Conservative campaign about the issues raised in this story. A spokesperson declined to comment.

The tension spilled out into the open this week when veteran Conservative strategist Kory Teneycke began publicly calling out the federal campaign, suggesting it was headed for disaster.

"Look, I think for the Conservatives in the campaign cockpit, every buzzer and alarm is going off. And the plane is like going 'bzzzzz' and it's like 'pull up, pull up, pull," Teneycke told an audience Wednesday as part of a panel at Toronto's Empire Club of Canada.


He argued the Conservative campaign was wasting energy talking about concerns around the World Economic Forum and trying to link the Liberals to an initiative to boost immigration levels known as the Century Initiative, rather than leaning in on the public's concerns about the U.S. president's treatment of Canada.

"I'll make the case tonight, and hopefully this will permeate the Conservative Party war room somewhere — you've got to get on the f****ing ballot question that is driving votes. Or you are going to lose."

In a subsequent interview with CBC News, Teneycke said Poilievre is acting too "Trump-y" with his pet names for political opponents and sloganeering, and it's a turnoff for voters the party needs to win.

Teneycke managed the last three election campaigns for Doug Ford's Ontario PC Party, including Ford's recent re-election to a majority government. He also worked under former prime minister Stephen Harper, including working on Harper's 2015 campaign with Byrne.

The Conservative loss to the Liberals that year left many hard feelings, particularly as the party resorted to now-panned measures like the '"barbaric cultural practices" tip line in an unsuccessful effort to shore up their support.

This week, Teneycke went as far as releasing internal PC party numbers to the Toronto Star to show the federal Liberals taking a significant lead over the Poilievre's Conservative Party of Canada.


Conservative strategist Kory Teneycke has begun publicly calling out the federal campaign, suggesting it was headed for disaster. (CBC)
The public criticism that the campaign has failed to adequately address concerns about Trump is just not landing at the top levels of the federal campaign, sources said.

Poilievre and Byrne "just reject that this is the central ballot question," said one Conservative.

'Weird fixation' on minor issues
One Conservative suggested the tension — not only between Teneycke and Byrne but also between the Ontario and federal Conservative leaders — amounts to a "civil war" within the Conservative movement.

Yet another source said the campaign has a "weird fixation" with relatively minor issues, like how the media is reporting Poilievre's rally crowd sizes. This Conservative said this should not be a concern for senior leaders like Byrne, given other issues they are grappling with.


This source said the priority should be on crafting a better strategy to blunt the Liberal momentum.

But the source wasn't hopeful that would actually happen.

"There won't be a shift because the people who run this campaign don't want to shift," this person said, referring to both Byrne and Poilievre.

What is likely to happen, this source said, is some sort of "counteroffensive" against Carney, with "persistent attacks" to try and sully the Liberal leader's reputation and drive down his favourability ratings.

One Conservative said Poilievre has repeatedly condemned Trump and some of the criticisms of him being too soft on the president are unfair, pointing to Poilievre's forceful statement after the president announced a plan to slap tariffs on autos.

But this source said the campaign has missed the mark on its policy announcements, focusing on non-U.S. or trade-related issues that are of little concern to voters when the country faces a crisis with its one-time closest friend and neighbour.

The source said Thursday's TFSA top-up announcement sounded tone-deaf, while Poilievre's tough-on-crime pitch on Friday at a B.C. sawmill, which could face disruptions because of U.S. tariffs, was bizarre.

This source said Poilievre is not used to running behind, and he's wedded to the playbook that got him in the lead in the first place.

WATCH | Poilievre asked about declining poll numbers:


Responding to a question about how some public opinion polls show the Conservatives losing their lead over the Liberals, leader Pierre Poilievre said Canadians will make their decision on voting day.
A source said the campaign staffing is also a particular concern, with last-minute adjustments to who's doing what causing uncertainty and confusion.

Allegations of 'bullying'
In addition to concerns about focus, several sources describe aggressive behaviour by leaders on the campaign, suggesting it is an environment ruled "by fear."


There's frequent yelling and belittling, sources said. One source says the way the highest echelons of the campaign have treated one team member can only be described as bullying.

"It's bullying. There's no other word for it."

Two sources said Poilievre is set to speak more about Trump and his threats in an upcoming swing to Ontario.

Some Conservatives defend the direction the campaign is taking.

Kate Harrison, a Conservative strategist, said on CBC's The House the ballot question that will help the Conservatives is "around cost of living, affordability, and frankly the problems and the track record that brought Canadians to this place of vulnerability based on the last nine years."

Harrison pointed to a poll from Narrative Research, which found two-thirds of respondents identified the cost of living as one of the most important issues facing Canada today.

"I think that there is a link that Conservatives can make between the policies of the last nine years — yes, the threat and the impact of tariffs and this existential threat that Canadians face — without it having this be a referendum on Donald Trump alone," Harrison said.
 
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