AIDS conference seems surreal

[acutus]

Are you kidding me?

No. Sincerely, Jon .

 

[acutus]

YEah homosexuality didn't cause AIDS. Actus the whole bit about homosexuality is way off base.

Wanting to do things bb, greek, oral, multiple partners these are things guys are seeking out here on terb as well. Guess we're all a bunch of homos, eh?

The fact that it's between two men or two women or one of each doesn't make a difference it's the various acts...... and I can't think of an act that occurs in homosexual sex that heteros don't do.

Yes the diesease was most prominent in the gay community but that was prior to people knowing how it was spread etc etc etc. Now with knowledge people are safer. And just read terb and you'll find a number of posts of men choosing to pursue unsafe activities.

AIDS was first discovered in 1981 in Homosexual men in New York City. That is a fact. That the disease can now be spread via Heterosexual activity is beside the point. Sincerely, Jon .

 

[acutus]

Even without homosexual behaviour aids would have still spread it just would have taken longer than the 80s for us to notice it but by the time we did it'd still be very serious..... as it crept up on us.

Take a look at the wide incidence of AIDS in certain areas of africa. It's almost at epidemic proportions in some places and the mode of transmission has been primarily hetero sex.

'Even without Homosexual behaviour AIDS would have still spread...' How? AIDS was first discovered in Homosexual men in 1981. This is a fact. AIDS has never been discovered in primates in Africa, nor is AIDS known to occur in primates in Africa. What is known as fact with regard to primates in Africa is that a few very small populations do carry an AIDS like ID(immune deficiency) virus that is non lethal to the host. Any and all other attempts to correlate ID like viruses in primates in Africa with the human version of AIDS remains theory, speculation and conjecture. In my view and in the view of many others, AIDS is the result and consequence of Homosexual behaviour. The devastation brought by AIDS to the African continent and the fact that it is spread there and else where primarily by Heteosexual activity is off topic. Sincerely, Jon .

 

[acutus]

Such profound ignorance can only be pitied. I am a person with a disability, paralyzed from the neck down for almost 30 years. I have been an object of pity all my life, but that is nothing compared to the pity I have for you when you espouse such utter nonsense.

PBS is the ONLY source of solid science left on television.

I quote again...

In my experience, Mr. Jeffham29 some individuals need to exercise care that whatever feelings they may have for their own situation in Life is not projected onto others around them. That you find that PBS is your only source of 'solid' science left on television, is fine. There is no need for you to repeat your quotes, Sir. Please note that there are other sources for high quality academic science besides TV. Sincerely, Jon .

 

[reg]

In my view and in the view of many others, AIDS is the result and consequence of Homosexual behaviour.

For the very first time you admit this is 'your view' and don't try to pawn it off as fact. Thank you for that at least.

You're entitled to your viewpoint, just don't try to sell it as fact.

 

[Asterix]

There is no need for you to repeat your quotes, Sir. Please note that there are other sources for high quality academic science besides TV. Sincerely, Jon .

Fine. Why don't you offer one up that supports your conjecture that homosexual behavior created the AIDS virus.

 

[acutus]

Lol...

'You're entitled to your viewpoint...'

As indeed we all are, Mr. Reg. Sincerely, Jon .

 

[acutus]

Fine. Why don't you offer one up that supports your conjecture that homosexual behavior created the AIDS virus.

What supports the conjecture Mr. Asterix is the fact that AIDS was first discovered in Homosexual men, not chimpanzees' in Africa. Sincerely, Jon .

 

[Asterix]

What supports the conjecture Mr. Asterix is the fact that AIDS was first discovered in Homosexual men, not chimpanzees' in Africa. Sincerely, Jon .

Chimpanzees don't get AIDS, I thought we went through that. A certain group of wild chimpanzees has been traced that carried the genetic precursor to HIV. You didn't address the question. Show me any reputable science that shows homsexual behavior somehow created this disease.

It is more accurate to say that AIDS was first diagnosed in homosexual men in the West, not surprising for many reasons. The first condition that alarmed doctors was when previously healthy young men came down with Karposi's Sarcoma, a type of cancer that developes just under the skin and is very rare in lighter skinned people, not to mention the young. Though not directly related to HIV, it turned out to be the first sign of a weakened immune system due to AIDS. The same form of cancer has been endemic to Africa for decades, so the increased appearance of KS cases would not have stood out as anything unusual, if anyone was actually around to record the difference. The level of health care in most parts of Africa is abysmal by standards in the West. Doctors, what few there were especially in the poorer communities, would likely have attributed new cases of KS as the continuation of an endemic condition, not a new disease. Likewise, the wasting AIDS causes would not have stood out initially due to the high level of malnutrition in many parts of Africa, especially where the disease is very likely to have originated. It bears to keep in mind that many of these communities received virtually no health care in the years leading up to the worldwide outbreak of AIDS, and many continue not to. AIDS in some parts of Africa has now reached 25% of the adult population or more. A few thousand people in Africa in the decade or two before AIDS showed up in Europe and North America, likely wouldn't have drawn anyone's attention.

 

[Asterix]

Actually, the first documented death from aids was a british male who died around 1951. We know this because his doctor who liked him saved tissue samples and had them tested in the 90"s and lo and behold, all 4 labs that he sent samples to stated the patient had aids.

Care to back this up with a credible link?

 

[acutus]

Chimpanzees don't get AIDS, I thought we went through that. A certain group of wild chimpanzees has been traced that carried the genetic precursor to HIV. You didn't address the question. Show me any reputable science that shows homsexual behavior somehow created this disease.

It is more accurate to say that AIDS was first diagnosed in homosexual men in the West, not surprising for many reasons. The first condition that alarmed doctors was when previously healthy young men came down with Karposi's Sarcoma, a type of cancer that developes just under the skin and is very rare in lighter skinned people, not to mention the young. Though not directly related to HIV, it turned out to be the first sign of a weakened immune system due to AIDS. The same form of cancer has been endemic to Africa for decades, so the increased appearance of KS cases would not have stood out as anything unusual, if anyone was actually around to record the difference. The level of health care in most parts of Africa is abysmal by standards in the West. Doctors, what few there were especially in the poorer communities, would likely have attributed new cases of KS as the continuation of an endemic condition, not a new disease. Likewise, the wasting AIDS causes would not have stood out initially due to the high level of malnutrition in many parts of Africa, especially where the disease is very likely to have originated. It bears to keep in mind that many of these communities received virtually no health care in the years leading up to the worldwide outbreak of AIDS, and many continue not to. AIDS in some parts of Africa has now reached 25% of the adult population or more. A few thousand people in Africa in the decade or two before AIDS showed up in Europe and North America, likely wouldn't have drawn anyone's attention.

Please review Post #: 68, Mr. Asterix. As far as your above, quoted Post... more theory, speculation and conjecture. Sincerely, Jon .

 

[Asterix]

Found it myself before you posted. Not surprising the fellow was reputedly a sailor. Ships, and later internatonal air travel, are very quick ways to spread infectious diseases cross continent.

 

[acutus]

Actually, the first documented death from aids was a british male who died around 1951. We know this because his doctor who liked him saved tissue samples and had them tested in the 90"s and lo and behold, all 4 labs that he sent samples to stated the patient had aids.

Here's the kicker folks, they never found any evidence the guy had been anywhere nears africa so that tells us a few things 1) he was infected by someone who was HIV positive sometime during the 40's 2) it also tells us, given the long incubation period of HIV to full blown AIDS, that HIV has been spreading since well before the 40's. 3) a lot of european and arab countries were raiding Africa or had colonies in Africa over hundreds of years so who caught it and when will never be known.

Last but not least, the most you can say about gays and HIV is that as a group they were/are far more prone to getting infected because of unprotected anal sex(Note: I'm not getting into blood transfusions or hetrosexuals ok!). That does NOT prove they started it, it just means they were/are more prone to getting infected as a group. Today that is no longer the case thanks to idiocy, bigotry and ignorance AIDS is doing what it has been doing for at least 40 years-spreading.

According to the CDC(Center for Disease Control)the first known case of AIDS was discovered in Homosexual men in 1981. Sincerely, Jon.

 

[acutus]

No relation to this subject, but for our information, how reliable is Wikipedia as a reliable source of information.
I read somewhere that the info provided on the site is from internet users.

In my opinion, Wikipedia is not a reliable source for correct information, Mr. Tersey. Yes, much of what is presented as 'fact' on that site is contributed by on line/internet users which makes the source of their 'facts', questionable. Sincerely, Jon .

 

[Asterix]

Please review Post #: 68, Mr. Asterix. As far as your above, quoted Post... more theory, speculation and conjecture. Sincerely, Jon .

Okey, dokey. I'll take that to mean you got nothing to support your opinion based on scientific research. Not at all surprised.

 

[reg]

According to the CDC(Center for Disease Control)the first known case of AIDS was discovered in Homosexual men in 1981. Sincerely, Jon.

"...That the disease was also a recent occurrence in the rest of the world was shown by the fact that the earliest detection of HIV in the tissues of a European was in a British sailor who died in Manchester, England in 1959. The earliest known serum sample containing antibodies against HIV also dates from that same year. The serum was collected from an unknown patient visiting a clinic in Leopoldville, the Belgian Congo (now Kinshasa, Zaire). There is no laboratory evidence of HIV infecting humans before 1959."

Source: Polio Vaccines and the Origin of AIDS
B. F. ELSWOOD and R. B. STRICKER* from Medical Hypotheses, vol. 42, 1994

University of California San Francisco

 

[Svend]

acutus, do you believe it would be good if homosexuals died?

 

[acutus]

Lol...

Okey, dokey. I'll take that to mean you got nothing to support your opinion based on scientific research. Not at all surprised.

You can choose to ignore the fact that the first known case of AIDS was found in Homosexual men in 1981 if you wish, Mr.Asterix. What do you offer as rebuttal other then...theory, speculation and conjecture? Sincerely, Jon .

 

[reg]

You can choose to ignore the fact that the first known case of AIDS was found in Homosexual men in 1981 if you wish, Mr.Asterix. What do you offer as rebuttal other then...theory, speculation and conjecture? Sincerely, Jon .

"...That the disease was also a recent occurrence in the rest of the world was shown by the fact that the earliest detection of HIV in the tissues of a European was in a British sailor who died in Manchester, England in 1959. The earliest known serum sample containing antibodies against HIV also dates from that same year. The serum was collected from an unknown patient visiting a clinic in Leopoldville, the Belgian Congo (now Kinshasa, Zaire). There is no laboratory evidence of HIV infecting humans before 1959."

Source: Polio Vaccines and the Origin of AIDS
B. F. ELSWOOD and R. B. STRICKER* from Medical Hypotheses, vol. 42, 1994

University of California San Francisco

Ummm...

 

[acutus]

Lol...

"...That the disease was also a recent occurrence in the rest of the world was shown by the fact that the earliest detection of HIV in the tissues of a European was in a British sailor who died in Manchester, England in 1959. The earliest known serum sample containing antibodies against HIV also dates from that same year. The serum was collected from an unknown patient visiting a clinic in Leopoldville, the Belgian Congo (now Kinshasa, Zaire). There is no laboratory evidence of HIV infecting humans before 1959."

Source: Polio Vaccines and the Origin of AIDS
B. F. ELSWOOD and R. B. STRICKER* from Medical Hypotheses, vol. 42, 1994

University of California San Francisco

A quote out of context from a publication entitled: 'Medical Hypotheses'? Sincerely, Jon .