AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh There is justice after all.
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I listened to a guy on CBC radio a couple days back compare being a pedophile to being a homosexual (not using those exact words). He called it "sexual preference"....and he DID compare it to the "sexual preferences we all have, be it for the same sex or opposite sex."
Now, *I* think that is crazy, but *I* ALSO think homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. That is what I think. On the other hand, I have been neither a pedophile nor a homosexual, so WTF do *I* know?
Going to your point though, it is easy for me to imagine that a considerable number of people might say that "pedophilia" is an uncontrollable urge...and that our failure to adequately address those who suffer from it means we as a society are accountable to the victims more so than the individual perpetrators....but that you consciously knew that speeding and talking on your cell phone while driving were dangerous. Now, I am a simple man, so I don't even remotely believe that shit - but it isn't a stretch to think that MANY others would. I mean - what is the line between mental illness and pedophilia? And as a civilized society, we long ago decided to treat (and punish) the mentally ill differently for their crimes.
Beyond that - on this very message board we had posters high fiving each other when that blonde sexually assaulted that underage boy - because she was hot. Their analysis was that he MUST of liked it, and what harm could have come from it. Man - Boy....terrible crime done, let's go kill somebody. Woman - Boy...let's give the boy a high five and a beer.
And I want to trust the dispensing of justice to THESE mother fuckers??
Bottom line is this - you are right. They are not the same thing. But you know what? I don't trust you or anyone else to individually decide what two things ARE the same.
...says you.acutus said:
I listened to a guy on CBC radio a couple days back compare being a pedophile to being a homosexual (not using those exact words). He called it "sexual preference"....and he DID compare it to the "sexual preferences we all have, be it for the same sex or opposite sex."
Now, *I* think that is crazy, but *I* ALSO think homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. That is what I think. On the other hand, I have been neither a pedophile nor a homosexual, so WTF do *I* know?
Going to your point though, it is easy for me to imagine that a considerable number of people might say that "pedophilia" is an uncontrollable urge...and that our failure to adequately address those who suffer from it means we as a society are accountable to the victims more so than the individual perpetrators....but that you consciously knew that speeding and talking on your cell phone while driving were dangerous. Now, I am a simple man, so I don't even remotely believe that shit - but it isn't a stretch to think that MANY others would. I mean - what is the line between mental illness and pedophilia? And as a civilized society, we long ago decided to treat (and punish) the mentally ill differently for their crimes.
Beyond that - on this very message board we had posters high fiving each other when that blonde sexually assaulted that underage boy - because she was hot. Their analysis was that he MUST of liked it, and what harm could have come from it. Man - Boy....terrible crime done, let's go kill somebody. Woman - Boy...let's give the boy a high five and a beer.
And I want to trust the dispensing of justice to THESE mother fuckers??
Bottom line is this - you are right. They are not the same thing. But you know what? I don't trust you or anyone else to individually decide what two things ARE the same.
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Thank you, MLAM. That was pretty much my point as well.
Hey, I'm all for small government and individual freedom and responsibility. I even support your right to self-defense: shooting someone breaking into your home or someone IMMEDIATELY attacking you or others. But not someone who has already been apprehended by the authorities. There's a difference between self-defense and vengeance.
And if there is ONE thing government must do, it is criminal justice, because as you say, everyone's definition of justice is different. Yes, the criminal justice system is far from perfect, but going around shooting criminals is not the answer. All that does is make us as bad as them.
Hey, I'm all for small government and individual freedom and responsibility. I even support your right to self-defense: shooting someone breaking into your home or someone IMMEDIATELY attacking you or others. But not someone who has already been apprehended by the authorities. There's a difference between self-defense and vengeance.
And if there is ONE thing government must do, it is criminal justice, because as you say, everyone's definition of justice is different. Yes, the criminal justice system is far from perfect, but going around shooting criminals is not the answer. All that does is make us as bad as them.
If the bullet had missed, or passed through the intended victim and hit a child and killed him, would the father of that dead child then be justified in taking the law into his own hands and shooting the first shooter?
It all worked out in this case, but things don’t always go as intended.
It all worked out in this case, but things don’t always go as intended.
Thank you for your response, Mr. MLAM. I'm not certain that the comparisons that you've made are fair in the context of the topic of this Thread. In my view, the examples of a women having sex with an adolescent male cannot be fairly compared to the incident described in the original post of this Thread. However, I also share your point of view that Homosexuality is a choice that individuals make, and that it is a dishonest, selfish, angry behaviour with profoundly destructive consequences for all of Humanity. In my view, the similarity of Homosexual behaviour and Paedophiles are that they are using Human sexuality to express angry. Like the rapist.The rapist is not raping because of pent up and unfulfilled sexual desire, but rather for a need to dominate and control another person. The Paedophile who uses children for sexual purposes represents a particular problem for Society. From what I know about this kind of behaviour(reading newspaper accounts of interviews with Paedophiles), is that they know that their behaviour is wrong. That self knowledge of what is right and wrong puts the onus of responsibility solely on the Paedophile. The damage that is done to a child that is abused by a Paedophile can only be calcuated. That there does not appear to be any effective way of treating Paedophiles together with the apparent lenient way in which Paedophiles are dealt with in the Justice system represents the core issue and may explain why the Father's action(in the video clip)resonants so strongly for so many of us. Sincerely, Jon .MLAM said:
I agree that one of the fundamental responsibilities of our elected Government is to ensure a functioning and balanced Justice system. However, it appears to me that on this particular issue there is a lack of will and/or application of Justice when it comes to dealing with Paedophiles in our Society. Look at tomorrows newspapers(here in Canada)and read for yourself how a known, convicted and repeat Paedophile offender is allowed to be free to go around and abduct and sexually abuse children. Lets say, for example, that the Father(or Mother for that matter)of one of the children who was abducted and abused by this serial Paedophile stepped out of the shadows while this Evil monster was being transfered by Police and put a bullet in to his head. One wonders what would be the reaction of reasonable people? Would it be the same as it was in my World for the Father in the video clip? Sincerely, Jon .High_Roller said:
Quote from Acutus: "However, I also share your point of view that Homosexuality is a choice that individuals make, and that it is a dishonest, selfish, angry behaviour with profoundly destructive consequences for all of Humanity"
Spoken like a true neanderthal.........next thing you'll come out with is that homosexual's are also pedophiles and vice versa...man the world just took a giant leap backwards......your statement has got to be one of the most ignorant things ever written on terb.......
Spoken like a true neanderthal.........next thing you'll come out with is that homosexual's are also pedophiles and vice versa...man the world just took a giant leap backwards......your statement has got to be one of the most ignorant things ever written on terb.......
I say good for the Dad in doing this. The courts should in my opinion take a few pedophiles out of society anyways, especially the repeat offenders. They are releasing them too early. They return to repeat again, ruining more innocent lives. If they took the lives of a few pedophiles then maybe they would be worried about committing such acts to begin with and then know that abusing young innocent lives and taking them from ones they love is more punishable and may then be worried about the consequences and not do it to begin with.
You obviously have no children or you would have kept your insane comment to yourself. If you do have children I feel sorry for them. Yes, no regrets. You protect your children no matter what. Whether it be before the fact or after. Just thinking about it makes me very angry. I would have no problem handing out vigilante justice in that situation. No problem. Happy to do it. I would also be protecting any future victims. "Peter Whitmore" mean anything to you? As for me going to jail for a few years I would have no problem with that either. Your idiotic comment about a little time apart as opposed to harm by a pedophile is just stupid. Are you really putting them on the same level of injury whether physical or emotional? Please. Screw your head on properly.hak said:
You know what...
What you describe is completely self indulgent. And yes, you would be doing HARM to your children by denying them the time with their father (not to mention the further scrutiny of your trial, the associated media coverage, etc.) at a time when they probably LEAST need it, and MOST need their father and need to be sheltered and protected from outsiders.
Again - to be clear - I understand from where your emotions spring. I'm the guy he still hasn't decided against some "payback" for the asshole who made my little boy pee himself by ramming into the back of my wives car, and then not showing the concern and courtesy to make sure she and my son were ok.
But if you think you are on untouchable high moral ground, and that hak needs to "screw his head on", you are wrong.
...I have a child, and while I understand the emotions you speak of, I ALSO understand hak's point.dj1470 said:
What you describe is completely self indulgent. And yes, you would be doing HARM to your children by denying them the time with their father (not to mention the further scrutiny of your trial, the associated media coverage, etc.) at a time when they probably LEAST need it, and MOST need their father and need to be sheltered and protected from outsiders.
Again - to be clear - I understand from where your emotions spring. I'm the guy he still hasn't decided against some "payback" for the asshole who made my little boy pee himself by ramming into the back of my wives car, and then not showing the concern and courtesy to make sure she and my son were ok.
But if you think you are on untouchable high moral ground, and that hak needs to "screw his head on", you are wrong.
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That's easy!
Cause he's in Canada, and they don't ever execute criminals there, regardless of the crime. People ought to be used to that by now!tboy said:
My son while now an adult and able to fend for himself is still the most important thing in the world to me. There is no grey area, harm him in any way shape or form and I will kill that person, and not quickly either. To some people that may seem barbaric, fine if thats your view then you must live with the consequences as I am prepared to live with the consequences of what I would do.
So...
He and a buddy get into a tiff about a girl (don't know how old your son actually is, but this is typical young 20 something male behavior), you gonna kill somebody?
Things get a bit heated on the soccer / football / lacrosse / softball / hockey playing field...it goes from pushing and shoving to someone actually takes a swing at your kid and connects...you gonna kill somebody?
He meets a girl, and after they date for a wee bit he falls hard - but she moves on. He is brokenhearted - you gonna kill soembody?
Fight all your adult son's battles?
...business deal goes bad, he gets screwed - you gonna kill somebody?LancsLad said:
He and a buddy get into a tiff about a girl (don't know how old your son actually is, but this is typical young 20 something male behavior), you gonna kill somebody?
Things get a bit heated on the soccer / football / lacrosse / softball / hockey playing field...it goes from pushing and shoving to someone actually takes a swing at your kid and connects...you gonna kill somebody?
He meets a girl, and after they date for a wee bit he falls hard - but she moves on. He is brokenhearted - you gonna kill soembody?
Fight all your adult son's battles?
Why thank you...
It didn't make sense to me that something would stand as law for 30 years if indeed a 60 / 40 split on public opinion was against it. Those percentages sound like a lightning rod election issue to me...and having sat through a few elections in my 4 years here, I haven't seen capital punishment described as such.
...see, I wouldn't have known that.thompo69 said:
It didn't make sense to me that something would stand as law for 30 years if indeed a 60 / 40 split on public opinion was against it. Those percentages sound like a lightning rod election issue to me...and having sat through a few elections in my 4 years here, I haven't seen capital punishment described as such.
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MLAM said:
Those are a little out of the range of issues that were contemplated at the start of this thread and I hope i could show restraint in those situations. Everybody has to take their own lumps, its part of life, but I am addressing larger issues.
No, I don't fight all his battles , a comment like that twists the sentiment of my post. Not sure what the downward side of the threat level would be but in the situation as original described there is no doubt. Its just the way I am, not about to change now.
