Won't happen. Male athletes are a huge revenue raiser. Much of those funds go to fund women (and trans) sports.
Affirmative Action
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oh . i know they will not mess with athletic scholarships .... way too much $$$ involved
I understand that money trumps grades with you.
But how happy would you be if your son or daughter were denied entry to a school because they chose a legacy student instead.
do not make this personal
money trumps grades in the real world
perhaps its time you figured this out
of course i would be disappointed for my kid, who would not be
however I would also accept the fact that legacy admission was accompanied by many alumni funded scholarships , which enable multiple talented kids to get post secondary education
now how does your ideology & virtual signally pay the way again?
with other peoples money perhaps?
I don't know anything about it but I would guess this won't change anything. Affirmative action was most likely supplemented by accepting black athletes into the school so it was a win win - make it look like you are doing something good while you are taking unqualified minorities to bolster your sports programs. The argument that a surgeon would benefit from affirmative action is laughable. All it is suppose to do is give someone a chance that they wouldn't have because they aren't rich and white. It does not say that the professors have to pass them
Merit is a meaningless term I your context. Are you referring only to marks because if you are I can assure it is more than marks. So if not just marks then what?
How do you determine merit?
No, I use my own money, as I did with both of my kids education.
What makes you think I’m using other peoples money?
Both of my kids went to very good schools, and I was happy to pay whatever the University charged.
Sometimes it doesn’t pay to get caught bribing a school.
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Lori Loughlin, actor charged in college bribery scheme, released from prison
She served a two-month sentence as her husband, Mossimo Giannulli, is serving five months and is scheduled to be released 17 April
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Again more cut and paste meaningless dribble. Do you actually know what a SHAD progra is. It empahizsez not only matks but comminity and persoanl involvement etc. What do you thibk affirmative action is other than trying to build comminity and persoanl development. By the way why do you think most oprofessional and graduate programs reuire essays outlining your personal and community involvement. Just continually referring to merit in the abstract is meaningless.Don't be foolish. "I can assure ..more than marks"You have no idea how little you know about Engineering & CS at Waterloo.
This is an academic setting where you actually have to pass a rigorous academic program marks matter very much. Merit does not include your ability to MSOG or play the skin flute. This is Engineering and Computer Science, NOT B.A. nor B.Sci programs. No one cares how well you throw a football. Those that argue marks don't matter likely don't have them and seeking to justify something to themselves for failing. Those essays and interviews as part of the admission process matter very very little for programs that matter.
To Waterloo Engineering (and CS which piggy backs on them), marks DO matter. That is why the track the marks out of all the high schools ("Grade Adjustment Tool") and decrement the schools by 10%/20%/30% where the kids do poorly at University.
What also matters to them is how well you do on their Fermat and Euclid (and many others) contests. Guess what, marks are very highly correlated to how well you do on these tests.
...and guess what, if you haven't heard of the SHAD program, YOU Have no idea about their admissions process.
Thus, its NOT my definition of merit, it's theirs.
They've been doing it for YEARS and the Torstar finally found out about it.
When 94% is not 94: What University of Waterloo’s engineering admission tool reveals about high school grades
The controversial adjustment factor helps the university sort applications for a highly competitive program. But what does it tell us about grade inflation?www.thestar.com
Here is the tool for 2020 so you can look up how grade inflation is being adjusted for...get your kid out of an easy high school and put them into a high school where marks actually mean something.
Spelling aside again you are simply spouting platitudes. Try and deal with issues substantively. I will overlook any spelling errors.
When you say that admission is based primarily on marks you are agreeing that it is not exclusively marks. Every school also takes other criteria into consideration and that is all affirmative action is.
And I have no idea a why you do not regard teachers as professionals. They are highly skilled and have a tremendous influence on our children during formative years.
LoL. Again criticizing my spelling is not substantive. You have obviously never been in a position of responsibility or had to make hiring decisions. Marks are a very poor indicator of future success. People who insist that marks be to test of admission or hiring use that to maintain the status quo. The so called meritocracy is simply a way to keep schools and organizations white and male and generally christian.
And it is ludicrous to suggest that someone is not a professional because they belong to a union.
Let's deal with the idiotic part first . You can create any outcome you like by creating definitions that suit your narrative. Are you seriously suggesting that a teacher does not have a career because they are unionized. Absurd.Yes because failing school makes you SUCH a winner. Do you even listen to yourself?
IQ is very highly correlated to academic achievement and is also well correlated to future life success. Again, you're making statements that you very clearly have no idea about. Do you feel comfortable making shit up?
Top psychologist: IQ is the No. 1 predictor of work success
Top psychologist: IQ is the No. 1 predictor of work success—especially combined with these 5 traits
Does a high IQ definitely set you up for more success down the road – be it in terms of career advancement or higher salaries? The answer, essentially, is yes, according to researchers.www.cnbc.com
Our analysis shows that the early measured IQ is a relatively good predictor of life success in terms of objective indicators.
Is IQ a Good Predictor of Success?
As the question is stated, the answer is simply “yes.” If you take a “real” IQ test, then the result is a strong statistical predictor of multiple future life outcomes—income, education level, health, even longevity. There are loads of studies that confirm these correlations.
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Oh please feel free to back up your substantive opinion of "Marks are a very poor indicator of future success"
Hint; "but I know I guy is not "data". The below chart illustrates a is a very very poor argument.
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As for spelling? Oh it is very substantive. If you can't spell properly (or even recognize those little red squiggles on the screen), you're an idiot. If you're an idiot, what you say has no meaning. Learn to care about spelling properly. It's the adult thing to do.
As for a professional? A professional has a career, not a job. A professional does not need to belong to a union. A professional ALSO has a governing body to ensure that they meet the standards of that Profession. If they have no governing body, or no independent standards-based body removing their ability to practice their profession, they are not a professional. Professionals understand this. Non-Professionals, sometimes called wannabees, don't understand this.
IQ is an indicator not because it says something about the prospects of the candidate but because the high test score changes his trajectory and so it becomes self fulfilling. Most iq tests are culturally biased and hence they are relied upon less and less.
Many years ago I was on the hiring committee at the law firm where I was then a partner. Marks were used in order to stream the candidates because we received so many applications. A much bigger criteria was the candidates perceived EQ rather than IQ. There was zero correlation between marks and success. One of my former students is now a judge and he used to joke that he had the lowest LSAT ever recorded.
The management commitee made a decision back then that diversity was good for business and we did recruit with diversity and inclusion as one of many factors. Each of the minority students, without exception, went on to very successful careers.
So instead of spouting platitudes and cliches try dealing in the real world.
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Pilot isn't a profession, it's a job and pilots aren't professionals. Got it. Same with air traffic controllers, police, firefighters, paramedics. I'm pretty sure there's a big list of "jobs" that pretty much everyone would consider a career and that pretty much everyone would consider professional that your definition doesn't count.
You might want to rethink it.
Awkward: Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action With Affirmative Action Hire Sitting Right There
WASHINGTON, D.C. — In an extremely awkward moment, six Supreme Court justices ruled that affirmative action is unconstitutional, completely forgetting that affirmative action hire Ketanji Brown Jackson was sitting right there next to them.
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LMAO
"Today is a sad day for anyone who was hired strictly based on their race, gender, and sexual orientation rather than qualifications," said White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre, who was hired strictly based on her race, gender, and sexual orientation rather than qualifications. "Ah, crap... now this is awkward."
Vice President Kamala Harris, also an identity hire with no qualifications, weighed in as well, saying: "Affirmative action is affirmative, and that's good. Without affirmative action, we will have non-affirmative action which is the worst kind of action. And that's bad. HA HA HAHAHAHAHA!"
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IQ tests are not culturally biased, and they're relied upon more and more.
They're no longer called IQ tests (because the term IQ has become politically charged), but more and more organizations use third-party companies that provide "aptitude" tests to applicants that measure their IQ.
EQ cannot be measured and has no scientific basis. The psychologist who coined EQ said so.
The fact that your judge passed the LSAT is indicative that he had sufficient IQ regardless of his score.
The US military doesn't recruit applicants with an IQ of less than 83 because such folks are incapable of learning and performing the necessary duties of the job. In fact they become a detriment and danger to themselves and others.
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You are correct that EQ cannot be scientifically measured but that is the point. It is measured by the interviewer and is based upon the life experiences and personality of the interviewee. It is a much more reliable indicator of success. That is not to say that marks are ignored because they are not. I have never met a HR person relied in IQ testing.
By the time and interviewee gets to the interview, they've been filtered by IQ.
Beyond that, it's a fit for personality, the culture of the organization, the skills provided by the applicant, and the applicant's ability to articulate themselves. In government and large companies this is done with a panel of interviewers to further remove biases.
I have been on those committed. Yes marks are used to filter out certain candidates but marks are not ultimately the determinative factor. If it were the process would be much easier. When you say that "fit" is important and it certainly is you are introducing subjectivity of the interviewer. And human nature being what it is it tends to perpetuate a base which is like "us'. That is the point. We have to break the cycle of us.
A couple of comments
1) Many years ago I was admitted to the Engineering school at McGill. After my first year I said to myself this is really tough stuff and I switched disciplines. McGill doesn't want their engineering grads to design bridges that fall apart.
McGill scrutinizes all your academic achievements. Back then it was PSAT, SAT, IQ, high school marks and matriculation marks. Telling them you are a wokie on social media will earn you a minus.
2) I recently saw a video of an engineering class. At first I thought it was a class in China. It was actually an engineering class at the UofT. Yes, every student in that class was Asian.
U.S. Universities Fall Further Behind China In Production Of STEM PhDs (forbes.com)
