Abortion...

you know not what you talk of

new borns are very adoptable in all races and no one aborts a 5 year old

they abandon them
 
papasmerf said:
you know not what you talk of

new borns are very adoptable in all races and no one aborts a 5 year old

they abandon them

I know exactly what I am talking about.

Your statement about new borns being very adoptable in all races is utterly wrong.

I love guys like you. You want to have your cake and it eat too.

You just figure you can ban abortion and all the problems will be solved just like in Mayberry in 1958. Oh look, there's Aint Bee right now with some of her famous apple pie.

Do you want a piece Papa Smerf?

I love how you just can't say it can you.

You can't say, "Yes, I support banning abortion and; therefore, I am willing to have my taxes increased to provide proper support to all children born as a result of my actions."

You can't and you won't.

I've met lots of guys like you. When you ask them who's going to raise these children, they look at you with this puzzled look on their face and reply, "their parents". That's when I usually spit out my rice crispies.

Pass the ice cream Andy.
 
james t kirk said:
I know exactly what I am talking about.

Your statement about new borns being very adoptable in all races is utterly wrong.

I love guys like you. You want to have your cake and it eat too.

You just figure you can ban abortion and all the problems will be solved just like in Mayberry in 1958. Oh look, there's Aint Bee right now with some of her famous apple pie.

Do you want a piece Papa Smerf?

I love how you just can't say it can you.

You can't say, "Yes, I support banning abortion and; therefore, I am willing to have my taxes increased to provide proper support to all children born as a result of my take on life.

You can't and you won't.

Pass the ice cream Andy.
Ever adopt there son?

Ever looked for a child?

Ever been thru the system from that side?
 
papasmerf said:
Ever adopt there son?

Ever looked for a child?

Ever been thru the system from that side?


See, you can't say it.

You can't, you won't, and you don't give a shit.

Once that baby's born, you are down the road like any other dead beat dad.

You just proved my point there buddy.
 
james t kirk said:
See, you can't say it.

You can't, you won't, and you don't give a shit.

Once that baby's born, you are down the road like any other dead beat dad.

You just proved my point there buddy.

Sorry dude
you see I have an adopted child and know how important it is to adopt and not abort.

Maybe you wish your mom aborted but I am glad my baby's mom did not
 
james t kirk said:
No you can't.

The above link shows that there are plenty of babies in the USA available for adoption that are not wanted. Why?

Because they are black.

White people want nice little white babies.

They don't want babies, they want WHITE babies.
From your link: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/11/60minutes/main673597.shtml

The Open Door also places black babies in the United States, but mainly with white families. Gilbert says blacks tend to adopt directly from relatives or from foster care, often because there’s no fee. He adds that they "never have enough black families."

But even if they did, it might not make that much of a difference. Today, it’s the biological parent who gets to choose who adopts their child, and at The Open Door, only 10 percent of them insist on a black family.



Apparently more "white families" adopt unwanted black babies than "black families". Also, only 10% of biological black parents want their baby adopted by a "black family".

And your "white man" rant is about what?
 
Having known three families that have gone through the process I can attest that it is not easy.

One family got fed up after a year and went EE and one family went to Asia after three years. The remaining and most recent family persevered for two years and ended up with a child from Northern Quebec but there was much drama.

My 56 y/o aunt is adopted and it was even worse back then.
 
james t kirk said:
I know exactly what I am talking about.

Your statement about new borns being very adoptable in all races is utterly wrong.

I love guys like you. You want to have your cake and it eat too.

You just figure you can ban abortion and all the problems will be solved just like in Mayberry in 1958. Oh look, there's Aint Bee right now with some of her famous apple pie.

Do you want a piece Papa Smerf?

I love how you just can't say it can you.

You can't say, "Yes, I support banning abortion and; therefore, I am willing to have my taxes increased to provide proper support to all children born as a result of my actions."

You can't and you won't.

I've met lots of guys like you. When you ask them who's going to raise these children, they look at you with this puzzled look on their face and reply, "their parents". That's when I usually spit out my rice crispies.

Pass the ice cream Andy.

That's alot of accusatory YOUs you affix to papasmerf. You must personally know him to be able to use so many YOUs , or YOU must be supremely omnipotent to know so much about him and his kind.

Talk about a narrowminded quasi-racist, bordering-on bigoted post! IMHO.

"YOU,YOU, YOU"
 
james t kirk said:
No you can't.

The above link shows that there are plenty of babies in the USA available for adoption that are not wanted. Why?

Because they are black.

White people want nice little white babies.

They don't want babies, they want WHITE babies.

There have been 41 million abortions done in the USA since Roe V Wade.

There simply are NOT enough prospective adoptive parents to soak up 41 million unwanted children, especially the non-white ones (of which there will be I can assure you.)

Sure, some of those mothers may decide to keep their children, but many are loath to the idea of being parents, most are probably not ready, or not prepared, or not able to raise a child.

I love the term, "Right to Life"

Nothing could be a bigger crock of shit.

What the anti-abortion crowd really mean is a, "Right to Birth"

And after that, tough shit for you kid. After the birth has occured, the "Right to Birth" crowd considers their mission accomplished.

Well, I am sorry, but coming up with a sucessful human being takes a lot more than a right to life. The birth process is a few hours, the raising process is 18 to 25 years.

Who's going to pay for that?

You?

I doubt it.

There will be millions of unwanted children in the USA if abortion is outlawed.

To the anti-abortion crowd I say, "fine, if you are want to ban abortion of unwanted children, then you'd better be prepared to step up to the plate with YOUR WALLET because it's going to cost large to support millions of unwanted children. Your taxes are going to go up.

The right to birth crowd tends to be right wing conservatives who generally think that they already pay too much in taxes.

Well guess what, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. You know, that cause and effect thing.

So tell me Papa Smerf, are you willing to pay more tax to look after these children?

The US has THE worst child care of any industrialized nation right now.

Fully 20% of all children live below the poverty line RIGHT NOW in the USA.

I don't hear the "Right to Birth" crowd harping about protecting them.

Are they not innocent too?

Do they not warrant protection from hunger, ignorance, and poor health RIGHT NOW?

How come that is?

You will hear the Right to Birth crowd crowing about "Welfare Mothers" and the "Welfare State" and ending any kind of assistance.

So tell me again about how you are going to support all the unwanted children that will result from banning abortion, cause I am all ears....
After enduring your lengthy lecture, somehow I doubt that you are "all ears". "All-m*uth" more accurately reflects reality.
 
would you prefer a coat-hanger?

what if your daughter was impregated by the local idiot? then what?

all this talk about the womans responsibilty to bear the child and not a peep about the responsibilty of the poor bastard who gets his dick wet.

btw, no women ever needs to go thru an abortion when she chooses and uses herbs like penny royal when she first discovers shes pregnant. it promotes menses and miscarriage and it works.
 
As was pointed out, there is more than enough poverty to go around in the states. People who can not see a future (ie. the poor) are more likely to have kids, planned or unplanned, at an earlier age. Without having to look at stats, I am sure that birth rates (with abortion as an option) are already significantly higher in economicaly disadvantaged neighbourhoods. With abortion illegal, these would only go up. Larger family sizes in the poorest areas can only lead to more of the things we hate to see (less chance to succeed -> no future -> drugs -> violence). I can't see the US providing higher levels of social assistance to the poor. Those better off will still be able to travel across the state lines and still get the abortions they want.
 
Hey Peel

We have been there and done that. they know women will die trying to abort. They don't care. Pregnancy is the female punishment for having sex. Childbirth is women's punishment from god. This lifer crowd would give the right to a fertilized egg to subjugate a person as an incubator. Misogynist leanings will make some people leap to annoint a zygote a person. they don't care what the personal situation is of the woman or the many children she might actually have.

The lifer agenda is revealed in it's own material. it is bible based bullshit. the organized groups put as much effort into opposing gay marriage as they do into trying to ensure women are appropriately punished thru enforced pregnancy and birthing. they are assigning z/e/f's with characteristics and rights they have never had in all of history. Many are blind to their own agendas.
 
Oil Please said:
There is more to life than money!

Oh, I totally agree, which is why it should be easy for the Right to Birth crowd to agree to pay for raising scores of unwanted children.

So no problem then right?
 
It's very interesting reading all the responses from the Right to Birth crowd on here since my rant about being responsible for raising these children.

None of you have a response to the points that I have raised.

None of you, NONE are willing to open your wallets.

You are all living in a dream world.
 
james t kirk said:
It's very interesting reading all the responses from the Right to Birth crowd on here since my rant about being responsible for raising these children.

None of you have a response to the points that I have raised.

None of you, NONE are willing to open your wallets.

You are all living in a dream world.

So you are back to the kill them all and let God sort them out?