A warning from Bernie Sanders to America

[Butler1000]

you have not required any significant public health care for sometime
2 years wait time of a hip replacement in bc
a trip to the emergency ward is a whole day affair if you are lucky


do not tell me what i need to do


it is the parent's responsibility for their child


no i am saying do not have a child unless you are willing to accept full responsibility for that child, including their health care



one can be quite charitable if one gets to decide
you want to steal the option to decide from others


Trudeau just ran the caring / woke society experiment for 9 years
it did not go well

Canadians generate $50 of GDP per hour worked
Americans generate $80 of GDP per hour worked

the cost of housing in Canada is way higher than in the states
the cost of living in Canada is way higher than in the states
the cost of taxation in Canada is way higher than in the states

we produce less and spend more and fuel the difference via debt / money printing
and we need to compete with our largest trading partner

how long do you think we can keep that going ?





no it was a murder of an innocent man ( likely a husband / father, not a thought about his family from you ) by a Wako seeking to blame others for his misfortune

you are trying to justify vigilantly justice by calling it a "symptom." of society
vigilantly justice is chaos


it usually does get ugly when the failed socialist experiment is repeated

The more you stick your head in the sand, the more surprised you will be when shit gets worse.

 

[roddermac]

According to the Socialists on here, wealthy people must be criminals and always cheat the system.
That's the type of thinking that let's Communism take hold where what they really want is everyone to make the same and have the same as everyone else.

They think their socialistic views are actually hiding what they are really after.

There's no better way to convince people who are poor that the cause of their poverty is someone who must have stolen all the money.

All you have to do is look at a country's debt to GDP ratio. It'll tell how bad government spending is.

 

[roddermac]

Conrad Black set the tone for what may happen in the late 90's. He said the rights of billionaires must be protected above all other considerations. PM Chretien told him to go fuck himself and Black left Canada in a snit.

Now it looks like Elon Musk has achieved the goal where Black failed. Will Donald Trump remake America in Russia's image?

Why does every liberal make Elon Musk the villain instead of Bill Gates and George Soros

 

[Frankfooter]

you have not required any significant public health care for sometime
2 years wait time of a hip replacement in bc
a trip to the emergency ward is a whole day affair if you are lucky

Yet you back the people cutting health care.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1874871567186043205

 

[JohnLarue]

lol you are completely wrong.
You live in Canada and have medical coverage.
If you get cancer or need surgery, will you tell the hospital to forward all charges to your credit card? I think not.

that is not relevant to the issue

Trudeau has nothing to do with this. He's just an bad politician in general. Money doesn't fix bad policy, it's a completely different argument.

gee a moron screws up the public purse and health care is paid for out of the public purse

You just don't want the wealthy to pay, period. That's not right. you're wrong.

the wealthy pay plenty in Canada

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/high-income-earners-pay-disproportionate-share-taxes-despite-ottawas-rhetoric

in 2024 the top 20 per cent of income-earning families in Canada will pay 54.2 per cent of total taxes (income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, etc.) to all three levels of government despite earning 46.4 per cent of total income. In other words, the top 20 per cent will pay the majority of taxes, and are the only income group that pays a larger share of taxes compared to their share of income.

why are always wrong ?

You don't believe in a democray, you believe in a Plutocracy.

WTF
Trudeau is rich, I want him gone
Pierre P is a middle class dude , he will try to fix the Trudeau mess
I am more than happy to let the electorate decide as it should be in a democracy

You're acting like the richer someone is the more valid their position is. This is how third world countries operate, which is where America is heading.

do not be ridiculous
I am acting like I want smaller / competent / rational government

No my friend, you are confused and delusional.

laying out the facts for you is far from confused
you are the one who wants the unachievable utopian dream

The reason for running a business is to return profits to owners/investors.

bingo !
they risk the capital on an idea
risk / return

of course a business needs to be profitable to meet customer demand and pay employees

You are acting like a puppet and a puppet only says what the man with his hand up its ass tells him to.

To call the warning of Oligarchies influencing the political process a left policy or idea is pure ignorance.

You don't care about Democracy, you don't care about the American people and you don't care about the country they live in.
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do not be ridiculous
I am acting like I want smaller / competent / rational government

 

[JohnLarue]

All you have to do is look at a country's debt to GDP ratio. It'll tell how bad government spending is.

that is a ratio with two moving values that get skewed by recessions and booms
& it is incomplete as it does not account for the cost of debt , or compounding interest

All you have to do is look at our country's interest payments to know what is not being spent of health care, education , infrastructure

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/federal-and-provincial-debt-interest-costs-for-canadians-2024.pdf

In aggregate, the provinces and federal government are expected to spend $81.8 billion on interest payments in 2023/24.

The federal government will spend $46.5 billion on debt servicing charges in 2023/24, which is nearly what the government expects to spend on the Canada Health Transfer ($49.4 billion), and significantly more than it expects to spend on childcare benefits ($31.2 billion).

 

[JohnLarue]

It's a legalized scam. That's the point.

no the point is it was a cold blooded murder of an innocent man
and you blame the victim , >>>> disgusting / revolting

vigilantly justice is chaos

 

[Insidious Von]

Why does every liberal make Elon Musk the villain instead of Bill Gates and George Soros

Silly question, you wont like my answer. First off I'm a pragmatist not a liberal. Second of all, Gates and Soros haven't aggressively bent the government to their will. Not only has Musk made himself the Shadow President, it's been reported that's he's made a cool $80 billion since the election. One of his tools is the H-1B Visa requirement, which ties foreign workers to his companies at a semi-indentured status. The MAGA rank and file hate this, they don't want talented "n###ers" working in the USA.

And he's not stopping there, he's cultivated ties with The Alternative for Germany Party and UK's Reform. Maybe he wants to become Emperor of the World?

Elon Musk is becoming a talisman for the far right in the same way that Che Guevara was for communists.

 

[Frankfooter]

that is a ratio with two moving values that get skewed by recessions and booms
& it is incomplete as it does not account for the cost of debt , or compounding interest

All you have to do is look at our country's interest payments to know what is not being spent of health care, education , infrastructure

Yet Ford gave Ontario just as big a rise in debt and interest payments and we got nothing in return.
At least the libs took debt on instead of families during covid and then gave us dental, child care and a small increase in taxes on the rich.

 

[Butler1000]

no the point is it was a cold blooded murder of an innocent man
and you blame the victim , >>>> disgusting / revolting

vigilantly justice is chaos

It's La Madame Guillotine. That's why they are so scared and bringing in terrorism charges. Anyone else and that doesn't happen.

 

[Insidious Von]

It's La Madame Guillotine. That's why they are so scared and bringing in terrorism charges. Anyone else and that doesn't happen.

There are times when Johnny LaRue and I are in agreement. HMOs want anyone who speaks ill of them to be charged with terrorism.

Elon Musk supports Tony Robinson as ReformUK Party leader. Considering the George Foreman level body blows it has taken from Brexit, that's very bad news. The Labour Party will be out of government before the end of 2025.

CEO lives matter.

 

[DesRicardo]

that is not relevant to the issue

It is.
In America, Health care is an out of pocket expense. People pull out second mortgages for surgeries.

Will you pull out a second mortgage if you need surgery or will you bill it to OHIP?

gee a moron screws up the public purse and health care is paid for out of the public purse

Is the health care system run federally or provincially?

the wealthy pay plenty in Canada

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/high-income-earners-pay-disproportionate-share-taxes-despite-ottawas-rhetoric

why are always wrong ?

We are talking about America.

bingo !
they risk the capital on an idea
risk / return

Yeah, I'm glad I could explain that to you.

WTF
Trudeau is rich, I want him gone
Pierre P is a middle class dude , he will try to fix the Trudeau mess
I am more than happy to let the electorate decide as it should be in a democracy

do not be ridiculous
I am acting like I want smaller / competent / rational government

laying out the facts for you is far from confused
you are the one who wants the unachievable utopian dream

of course a business needs to be profitable to meet customer demand and pay employees

Now you're just trolling.

 

[JohnLarue]

It is.
In America, Health care is an out of pocket expense. People pull out second mortgages for surgeries.

Will you pull out a second mortgage if you need surgery or will you bill it to OHIP?

i would rather than wait 2 years

Is the health care system run federally or provincially?

Canada Health Act - Canada.ca

Canada Health Act overview and links to annual reports and other resources related to the Act

www.canada.ca

Canada Health Act

The Canada Health Act (CHA or the Act) is Canada's federal legislation for publicly funded health care insurance.
The Act sets out the primary objective of Canadian health care policy, which is "to protect, promote and restore the physical and mental well-being of residents of Canada and to facilitate reasonable access to health services without financial or other barriers."

We are talking about America.

the conversation goes where it goes

Yeah, I'm glad I could explain that to you.

Now you're just trolling.

Now you're just trolling.

laying out the facts for you is far from confused
you are the one who wants the unachievable utopian dream

of course a business needs to be profitable to meet customer demand and pay employees

 

[JohnLarue]

It's La Madame Guillotine. That's why they are so scared and bringing in terrorism charges. Anyone else and that doesn't happen.

the point is it was a cold blooded murder of an innocent man
and you blame the victim , >>>> disgusting / revolting

vigilantly justice is chaos

 

[JohnLarue]

There are times when Johnny LaRue and I are in agreement. HMOs want anyone who speaks ill of them to be charged with terrorism.

it was a cold blooded murder of an innocent man
I am sure they will insist on the killer being charged with Murder

vigilantly justice is chaos

CEO lives matter.

every life matters

the left really needs to rethink their values when the find themselves justifying a cold blooded murder
As much as i despise Justin Trudeau , I do not wish to see any acts of physical violence against him
And Justin has caused a whole lot more damage than any HMO CEO

 

[Butler1000]

it was a cold blooded murder of an innocent man
I am sure they will insist on the killer being charged with Murder

vigilantly justice is chaos


every life matters

the left really needs to rethink their values when the find themselves justifying a cold blooded murder
As much as i despise Justin Trudeau , I do not wish to see any acts of physical violence against him
And Justin has caused a whole lot more damage than any HMO CEO

Should we get your fainting couch ready there Karen?

Lol, if every life matters then why do you support a man who denied coverage that led to peoples deaths?

 

[jalimon]

Why does every liberal make Elon Musk the villain instead of Bill Gates and George Soros

Because Elon if fucking up in politics. Have you ever heard Gates or Soros say publicly a leader of a nation was a prick because he was not right minded?

 

[Frankfooter]

i would rather than wait 2 years

Canada Health Act - Canada.ca

Canada Health Act overview and links to annual reports and other resources related to the Act

www.canada.ca

Health care is run by the provinces.
Blame them when they drive out family doctors and nurses, put ER's into debt and close hospitals.

 

[JohnLarue]

Should we get your fainting couch ready there Karen?

Lol, if every life matters then why do you support a man who denied coverage that led to peoples deaths?

i never supported anyone in this grotesque story
why do you insist on justifying a cold blooded murder ?

vigilantly justice is chaos

you have a lot of nerve accusing me of being a Karen when your vile hatred justifies a murder
What is wrong with you ?

 

[shack]

you are fooling your self if you think Universal Health Care is sustainable in Canada
Trudeau and a a bunch of irresponsible liberal/ NDP provincial leaders have all but ensured Universal Health Care in Canada has become unsustainable
there is just too much govt debt and now there are too many unproductive people in the country

Speculation.

For now it's 70 years and running.