A warning from Bernie Sanders to America

[JohnLarue]

The founding fathers would disagree. Hence the American Revolution and the 2nd Amendment. The core argument for the 2nd is so the populace can defend itself against corrupt government. Taking money and denying service is fraud. Government allowing it to happen is corruption.

Shooting that CEO is by USA definition a patriotic act.

That is ridiculous and it has to be disingenuous

the populace can defend itself against corrupt government.

he was not a member of the government
WTF is wrong with you ?

if you believe your govt is corrupt , you vote them out of power
You do not murder an innocent man (non govt BTW) and then try to justify it as a patriotic act
that is pretty much a blanket excuse to murder anyone

WTF is wrong with you ? Blood sugar too low? , Not enough fibre in your diet ? , descend from a long line of irrational relatives?

 

[Skoob]

Here ya go. 5 states in fact.

Obamacare Options? In Many Parts of Country, Only One Insurer Will Remain (Published 2016)

Plan failures and the recent decision by some of the largest companies to exit markets are leaving large areas of the country with functional monopolies.

www.nytimes.com

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And in this case I consider it to be civil disobedience against a rigged oligarchy run scam authorized by a corrupted government. Judging from the massive support from all political stripes of people, and that there is an excellent chance of jury nullification, vs the panic and completely unnecessary terrorism charges from Elites, I'd say I'm bang on with this take.

That article is from 2016 when Obamacare was having rollout issues. But I commend your attempt to condone your stance on murder.
Corrupted government? So you condone presidential assassinations as well?

You're funny and not that good at acting like a nut case. Thanks for the laughs!

 

[Butler1000]

That is ridiculous and it has to be disingenuous


he was not a member of the government
WTF is wrong with you ?

if you believe your govt is corrupt , you vote them out of power
You do not murder an innocent man (non govt BTW) and then try to justify it as a patriotic act
that is pretty much a blanket excuse to murder anyone

WTF is wrong with you ? Blood sugar too low? , Not enough fibre in your diet ? , descend from a long line of irrational relatives?

Not at all. A corrupted government is allowing private companies to defraud the public pof Healthcare services. It's that simple.

It's inevitable that the public will fight back against Healthcare tyranny.

 

[Butler1000]

That article is from 2016 when Obamacare was having rollout issues. But I commend your attempt to condone your stance on murder.
Corrupted government? So you condone presidential assassinations as well?

You're funny and not that good at acting like a nut case. Thanks for the laughs!

Still at 10% of counties with only one. Many more with 2. Not alot of choice happening.

And I'm quite serious. My sympathy for sociopath CEO'S is zero. I will walk past their bodies just like their own shareholders did.

 

[nottyboi]

that is not relevant to the issue



gee a moron screws up the public purse and health care is paid for out of the public purse



the wealthy pay plenty in Canada

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/high-income-earners-pay-disproportionate-share-taxes-despite-ottawas-rhetoric

why are always wrong ?


WTF
Trudeau is rich, I want him gone
Pierre P is a middle class dude , he will try to fix the Trudeau mess
I am more than happy to let the electorate decide as it should be in a democracy


do not be ridiculous
I am acting like I want smaller / competent / rational government


laying out the facts for you is far from confused
you are the one who wants the unachievable utopian dream





bingo !
they risk the capital on an idea
risk / return

of course a business needs to be profitable to meet customer demand and pay employees






You don't care about Democracy, you don't care about the American people and you don't care about the country they live in.

do not be ridiculous
I am acting like I want smaller / competent / rational government
[/QUOTE]

look
the writing is on the wall & the numbers do not le
the liberals/ NDP Federal & Provincial have destroyed government finance
Health Care utilization will increase with an aging population, Health acre inflation is double the CPI and more and more tax dollars will need to be diverted to interest payments

it is a done deal
universal health care in Canada is unsustainable

NONSENSE, it needs reform as every large systrem goes of the rails and needs to be restructured eventually. What I do agree with is the current trends in Canadiian helathcare are heading to a massive collapse in the system at some point and it needs to be restructured. It can still be universal and can even be more comprehensive, but not without significant change.

 

[Frankfooter]

NONSENSE, it needs reform as every large systrem goes of the rails and needs to be restructured eventually. What I do agree with is the current trends in Canadiian helathcare are heading to a massive collapse in the system at some point and it needs to be restructured. It can still be universal and can even be more comprehensive, but not without significant change.

This collapse is intentional and part of conservative policy.
Conservative premiers have been deliberately underfunding and cutting health care to make it so bad people will want private health care.

 

[roddermac]

How many people were killed because that CEO refused their health insurance claims?

Yet you don't show the same sympathy for those who died from forced covid vaccines or who lost their business from bullshit covid lockdowns.If it was a CEO of big pharma that was murdered would you be defending it.

 

[roddermac]

Still at 10% of counties with only one. Many more with 2. Not alot of choice happening.

And I'm quite serious. My sympathy for sociopath CEO'S is zero. I will walk past their bodies just like their own shareholders did.

I have the same sympathy score when it comes to politicians.

 

[Frankfooter]

Yet you don't show the same sympathy for those who died from forced covid vaccines or who lost their business from bullshit covid lockdowns.If it was a CEO of big pharma that was murdered would you be defending it.

How many do you think died from being forced to take the vaccines?
Murdering the CEO is wrong, but killing people through health care denial is just as wrong.

When the divide between rich and poor gets too much there are revolutions.
Why not just fix the problems instead?

 

[roddermac]

How many do you think died from being forced to take the vaccines?
Murdering the CEO is wrong, but killing people through health care denial is just as wrong.

When the divide between rich and poor gets too much there are revolutions.
Why not just fix the problems instead?

So who deserves to be murdered for their healthcare denial. And I know a few folks who died because they were mandated to take the covid vaccine

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-woman-who-tried-to-take-covid-transplant-fight-to-supreme-court-dies-1.6948293

Sudbury man refused kidney transplant due to vaccination status dies: Report

Garnet Harper, 35, leaves behind a wife and five children.

www.thesudburystar.com

 

[JohnLarue]

NONSENSE, it needs reform as every large systrem goes of the rails and needs to be restructured eventually. What I do agree with is the current trends in Canadiian helathcare are heading to a massive collapse in the system at some point and it needs to be restructured. It can still be universal and can even be more comprehensive, but not without significant change.

so you say nonsense and then you say current trends in Canadian healthcare are heading to a massive collapse in the system at some point

nonsense but you agree

it needs to be restructured.

which requires $....... hold on, the liberals federal and provincial already spent all the money and borrowed all the money for the next 2 generations

Now pay attention and learn something
you can not have a sustainable social safety system without financial responsibility
the federal and provincial liberals choose to be financially irresponsible

universal Healthcare is no longer sustainable >>> thanks to the liberal party of Canada

 

[JohnLarue]

Not at all. A corrupted government is allowing private companies to defraud the public pof Healthcare services. It's that simple.

the same corrupt govt you want to task with providing the public with Healthcare services
you have painted yourself into a corner

you do not think these things trough
your values are emotional
your values are completely messed up as you are trying (and failing) to justify murder
your mad at the corrupt govt and you think the solution is to murder private citizens

It's inevitable that the public will fight back against Healthcare tyranny.

How many CEOs did you want murdered ?

How many dead CEOs did you need to slake your deranged bloodlust ?

perhaps shootings of CEOs in the street is not good enough for you
Did you want to trot out the guillotine again Robespierre ?

give your head a shake

 

[shack]

A CEO isn't hired to bring compassion to a company as their primary responsibility.
A CEO is responsible to shareholders and to make the company profitable.

Ah. But there's the discrepancy in this particular situation.

I understand about the responsibility to the shareholders. But to fulfill that responsibility, he has to lie to the people who are paying for his company's services.

They are paying his company to look after their health. But to max out profits for the shareholders, he has to say to the customers, we now refuse to look after your health. That's being fraudulent.

Does that make any sense.

 

[Frankfooter]

So who deserves to be murdered for their healthcare denial. And I know a few folks who died because they were mandated to take the covid vaccine

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-woman-who-tried-to-take-covid-transplant-fight-to-supreme-court-dies-1.6948293

Sudbury man refused kidney transplant due to vaccination status dies: Report

Garnet Harper, 35, leaves behind a wife and five children.

www.thesudburystar.com

Nobody deserves to die because of some CEO withholding medical insurance.
Your victim chose to not be vaccinated and not have surgery, they weren't forced. They just chose to die rather than take the vaccine.

 

[roddermac]

Nobody deserves to die because of some CEO withholding medical insurance.
Your victim chose to not be vaccinated and not have surgery, they weren't forced. They just chose to die rather than take the vaccine.

You're truly are an idiot aren't you. They were denied healthcare for no reason at all. They didn't choose to die. Go have another abortion because that seems to be the only right a person can have to their own body.

 

[JohnLarue]

Ah. But there's the discrepancy in this particular situation.

no there is not
if a company is not profitable, it goes bankrupt and in this particular situation then no customers get their benefits and a bunch of people are out of work

I understand about the responsibility to the shareholders. But to fulfill that responsibility, he has to lie to the people who are paying for his company's services.

if he / company had misrepresented the coverage, sue him / the company
but you do not murder an innocent man

They are paying his company to look after their health.

No they are not
They are paying the company to insure them against the cost of very specific health risks

But to max out profits for the shareholders, he has to say to the customers, we now refuse to look after your health. That's being fraudulent.

How many of the reject claims were for drugs/ procedures which were not specified coverage in the contract

the vast majority of people buy health insurance assuming they are covered for every possible health risk
the vast majority of people who buy health insurance do not review the coverage in detail

Does that make any sense.

it might if you read the contracts in detail
but I guess for some is just easier to shoot an innocent man.

 

[shack]

no there is not
if a company is not profitable, it goes bankrupt and in this particular situation then no customers get their benefits and a bunch of people are out of work

No argument on the premise. But it does not refute that fact people are paying for protection and then that protection is denied for the benefit of the shareholders.

if he / company had misrepresented the coverage, sue him / the company

It's kind of late for the family if that person dies because of the company's refusal to cover.

They are paying his company to look after their health.

No they are not
They are paying the company to insure them against the cost of very specific health risk.

Wrong. Clearly that's what health insurance insurance is for. If I get sick, I need help.

They may exclude some pre-existing conditions, but they most definitely do not list every condition known to man and say we will cover this and we will not cover that. There is no such specificity.

 

[Butler1000]

the same corrupt govt you want to task with providing the public with Healthcare services
you have painted yourself into a corner

you do not think these things trough
your values are emotional
your values are completely messed up as you are trying (and failing) to justify murder
your mad at the corrupt govt and you think the solution is to murder private citizens



How many CEOs did you want murdered ?

How many dead CEOs did you need to slake your deranged bloodlust ?

perhaps shootings of CEOs in the street is not good enough for you
Did you want to trot out the guillotine again Robespierre ?

give your head a shake

Change the govt silly!

I believe in second chances. If the CEO's resign and repent, no need for more extreme actions.

 

[Butler1000]

no there is not
if a company is not profitable, it goes bankrupt and in this particular situation then no customers get their benefits and a bunch of people are out of work


if he / company had misrepresented the coverage, sue him / the company
but you do not murder an innocent man



No they are not
They are paying the company to insure them against the cost of very specific health risks


How many of the reject claims were for drugs/ procedures which were not specified coverage in the contract

the vast majority of people buy health insurance assuming they are covered for every possible health risk
the vast majority of people who buy health insurance do not review the coverage in detail


it might if you read the contracts in detail
but I guess for some is just easier to shoot an innocent man.

I think they should drop all the charges and let the family sue him in a wrongful death suit. I mean if it's OK to kill innocent customers then this is fine too! Money is the motivating factor here.

 

[JohnLarue]

]No argument on the premise. But it does not refute that fact people are paying for protection and then that protection is denied for the benefit of the shareholders.

you do know that
the claims maybe be for drugs/ procedures not covered

It's kind of late for the family if that person dies because of the company's refusal to cover.

its kind of late for the murdered CEOs family

They are paying his company to look after their health.

No they are not !
They are paying the company to insure them against the cost of very specific health risks
I suggest you check your group health care insurance benefits so that you understand what specific coverage you have

Wrong. Clearly that's what health insurance insurance is for. If I get sick, I need help.

No they are not !
They are paying the company to insure them against the cost of very specific health risks
I suggest you check your group health care insurance benefits so that you understand what specific coverage you have

They may exclude some pre-existing conditions, but they most definitely do not list every condition known to man and say we will cover this and we will not cover that. There is no such specificity.

no

there will be specific coverage detailed in the contract
All insurance is risk based priced

you should consider reviewing your home / auto / life insurance coverage and ask what specifically is covered and what is not
e.g. you may believe you are covered against a break and enter theft but there will be limits on the value of re-imbursement for items stolen and the values may be subject to depreciation